Posted on 08/28/2004 9:10:46 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
Yes I did mean Laws of Thermodynamics. What I meant when I said, "Nothing new under the sun" I meant no new philosophical ideas and nothing new in regards to human nature. Sin has always been a part of the human race and so has pride. It is obvious that we have new technology. I am not an Amish but a Catholic. What is your religious faith?
If you let your Grandson pick a demonic name like 666 to identify yourself as a poster you should not get upset when people think you maybe attached to some pretty strange philosophies. If you are a Christian then you must not take it very seriously to call your name a.) either Bal which sounds like the pagan god Baal as in Canaanite Baal worship or Balrog as in the JRR Tolkein trilogy and then the b.)666 is Book of Revelation's name for the mark of the Beast or the antichrist who is the agent of the devil.
Your grandson must listen to heavy metal music or enjoy getting a rise out of people. Do you believe that there is a Satan and that he is evil and that people should not follow him but God and his goodness??
I have better things to do than waste time with selfrighteous religious trolls.
"Thomas Aquinas believed that the woman's womb was nothing but a repository for the male semen, which contained the germ of life."
He may have believed that it was a repository for this which it is but he did not believe that this is all a woman is. You enjoy putting down past Doctors of the church and past teaching of the Church because you think you are so much more sophisticated than they are and you are the enlightened one.
This is what Pius X had to say in Pacendi after describing apostolic and and ecclesiastical traditions of the Catholic Church , #42 "The Modernists pass the same judgment on the most holy Fathers of the Church as they pass on tradition; decreeing, with amazing effrontery that, while personally most worthy of all veneration, they were entirely ignorant of history and criticism, for which they are only excusable on account of the time in which they lived."
I am worried by the Blessed Virgin's messages to Lucy of Fatima. The Persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the Church is a divine warning against the suicide in altering the Faith, in Her Liturgy, Her Theology, Her Soul.......I hear around me innovators who wish to dismantle the Sacred Chapel, destroy the universal flame of the Church, reject Her ornaments and make Her feel remorse for Her historical past.
A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them. Like Mary Magdalene, weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, "Where have they taken Him?"
Said by Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli, Papal Secretary of State to Pope Pius XI upon investigating the message of Fatima. qtd. in Roche, Pie XII Devant L'Histoire p. 52 and 53 .He later was elected as Pope Pius XII. (Hasn’t Pope John Paul II felt ‘remorse for the Church’s past when when he appologized for his predecessor’s and their policies??)
"Because the inhabitants of New Babylon have outdone all ancients in cruelty, Gods remembrance will lay upon them all crimes committed against His people in all ages. According to the Greek text, the sins of Babylon have been ‘fastened on to heaven. Heaven is the Church, and the clause may man that the wicked inhabitants of the city have imputed their own sins to the Church and have accused her of every perversity of which they are guilty themselves or have blamed her for the punishment received, just the ancient pagans blamed the Christians for every calamity A greater guilt than merely committing sin, no matter how whole. heartedly, is to impute one's own sins or mistakes to another and treat him as the culprit. They call sin virtue, and virtue Sin, Such meaning would fit better into the context, and the succeed. ing verse would follow logically from this meaning. (See Zach,
XIV.5).THE BOOK OF DESTINY by Fr. Herman B. Kramer p. 409-410. This is starting to happen already but it will be full blown at a certain point in time.
Satan will probably through the evil world-powers of the time exercise such tyranny over the Church as to leave the clergy the alternative of submission to the government or martyrdom by death or imprisonment and will enforce the acceptance of unchristian, morals, false doctrines, compromise with error, or obedience to the civil rulers in violation of conscience.....The text suggests a use of the apostate clergy, after their own defection, in persecuting the Church. .THE BOOK OF DESTINY by Fr. Herman B. Kramer p p.280
“In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the GREAT apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”
... Cardinal Mario Luigi Ciappi, Pope John Paul II's personal papal theologian, quoted in the journal Catholic, March 2002
Are you a big fan of Teilhard de Chardin??? You never did answer that one.
I guess that means that you are not a Christian since a Christian would never be ashamed of saying up frount I am a Christian. Perhaps you are a member of some pagan religion or just a humanist (they are pagans also). Also a Christian wouldn't call a fellow Christian a "selffrighteous religious troll."
I've never read a single word of Teilhard de Chardin.
There is nothing "modernist" about the well-established scientific proof of evolution.
Isn't that sad that so many in the Church think that way about a great Doctor of the Church
Isn't that sad that so many in the Church think that way about a great Doctor of the Church
Syllabus of Errors Pope Pius IX 1964- condmened proposition #13 "The method and principles by which the old scholastic doctors cultivated theology are not longer sutiable to athe demands of our times and to the progress of the sciences."
In speaking of modernism and Pius X great encyclical with the same title, "Hence Scholastic philosophy and theology are universally derided and despised. Whether this is done our of ignorance or fear or mor probably from a mixtur of both, one thing is certain: 'Innovation' mania is always associated with a hat5red of Scholasticism; and there is no surer sign of the beginning of a tendency towards Modernistic doctrines thatn when an aversion to Scholastic methods begins to be felt.'"Bishop Rudolf Graber, Athanasius and the Church of Our Time
Humani Generis 1950 Pope Pius XII #18 Unfortuneatley these advocates of novelty easily pass from despising Scholastic theology to the neglect of and even contept for the Teaching Authority of the Church itself, which gives such athoritative approaval to Scholastic theology. This Teaching Authority is represented by them as a hinkdrance to progess and an obtacle in the way of science. Some non- Catholics consider it as an unjust restraint preventing some more qualified theologians from reforming their subject."
"Now, the peculiar feature of the pontificate of Paul VI was the tendency to shift the papacy from governing to admonishing or, in scholastic terminology, to restrict the field of preceptive law, which imposes an obligation, and to enlarge the field of directive law, which formulates a rule without imposing any obligation to observe it. The government of the Church thus loses half its scope, or to put it biblically, the hand of the Lord is foreshortened....”
see Romano Amerio "Iota Unum"
The new church, which might not be able to retain anything of Scholastic doctrine and the original form of the former Church, will nevertheless receive consecration and canonical jurisdiction from Rome."(Glorieux Centenaire) If St. Thomas himself, should he come back to life "would hasten to consign his Summa Theologica to the fire and to replace it with a Summa Scientifica." Canon Roca: Glorieux Centenaire p. 113
Syllabus of Errors #13
In his book 'Athanasius and the Church of Our Time,' Bishop Graber refers to Canon Roca's prediction of a new, enlightened Church which would be influenced by the "socialism of Jesus and the Apostles."
In the mid-19th century, Roca had predicted: "The new church which might not be able to retain anything of Scholastic doctrine and the original form of the former Church, will nevertheless receive consecration and canonical jurisdiction from Rome." Bishop Graber commenting on the prediction, remarked, "A few years ago this was still inconceivable to us, but today...?
Canon Roca also predicted a liturgical "reform." With reference to the future liturgy, he believed "that the divine cult in the form directed by the liturgy, ceremonial, ritual and regulations of the Roman Church will shortly undergo a transformation at an ecumenical council, which will restore to it the venerable simplicity of the golden age of the Apostles in accordance with the dictates of conscience and modern civilization."
He foretold that through this council will come "a perfect accord between the ideals of modern civilization and the ideal of Christ and His Gospel. This will be the consecration of the New Social Order and the solemn baptism of modern civilization."
Roca also spoke of the future of the Papacy. He wrote, "There is a sacrifice in the offing which represents a solemn act of expiation... The Papacy will fall; it will die under the hallowed knife which the fathers of the last council will forge. The papal caesar is a host [victim] crowned for the sacrifice."
Roca enthusiastically predicted a "new religion," "new dogma," "new ritual," "new priesthood." He called the new priests 'progressives'; he speaks of the 'suppression' of the soutane and the 'marriage of priests."
Chilling echoes of Roca and the Alta Vendita are to be found in the words of the Rosicrucian Dr. Rudolph Steiner, who declared in 1910, "We need a council and a Pope to proclaim it."
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"There is a sacrifice in the offing which represents a solemn act of expiation... The Papacy will fall; it will die under the hallowed knife which the fathers of the last council will forge. The papal caesar is a host [victim] crowned for the sacrifice." (Bishop Rudolf Graber, Athanasius and the Church of Our Time).
The "Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita," a Masonic document quoted by Monsignor George Dillon in a lecture given in Edinburgh, Scotland, in 1884, describes how the papacy would be overthrown through the systematic corruption of the young clergy:
"In a few years the young clergy will have, by the force of events, invaded all the functions. They will govern, administer, and judge. They will form the council of the Sovereign. They will be called upon to choose the Pontiff who will reign… Seek out the Pope of whom we give the portrait. You wish to establish the reign of the elect upon the throne of the prostitute of Babylon? Let the clergy march under your banner in the belief always that they march under the banner of the Apostolic Keys" (Reprint: Grand Orient Freemasonry Unmasked, London, 1950).
***The origin of man has no effect whatsoever on belief in the Resurrection of Christ.***
Sinkspur, calling into question the historicity of the first chapters of Genesis has the effect of calling into question the resurrection also. Theologically, Genesis is of critical importance. EVERY theological concept in the Bible has its origin in Genesis.
If you don't trust the historicity of events recorded in the Bible, how can you know the resurrection actually occurred? If you were to submit the resurrection event to the bar of modern science it would be completely rejected. To the modern, scientific mindset the resurrection is not scientifically possible.
I am amazed that you don't see this.
Here is the basic argument.
It is recorded in the scriptures that Jesus viewed the creation of man as literally happening in a six day period and that God created a literal man and a woman.
"The Sabbath was made for man..."
Mark 2:27
The Sabbath, the literal seventh day of the week, was created for man (i.e. man-scaled) to rest on. Jesus saw the Sabbath as a literal, 24hr, once a week, period of rest CREATED specifically for man by God. If the seventh day was on the scale of a geological age then Jesus statement looses all comprehensible meaning.
"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
Matthew 19:4
Jesus is treating the written account of Genesis as literally true and the basis of moral decisions.
In addition, he states that humans were created male and female from the very BEGINNING - a concept that evolution would utterly reject. Jesus is speaking of a literal, special (non-evolutionary) creation of man. Man was not created an asexual organic blob that evolved sexual reproductitive abilities eons later. Jesus said we were created as male and female from the beginning
So you can't have it both ways. Either the evolutionists are right and Jesus is wrong or Jesus is right and the evolutionists are wrong. If Jesus was wrong about creation -wrong about such a central event in the Bible, then how do you know he's not also wrong about any of the other statements he made?
Here is a very serious question for you to consider...
If you consider yourself more informed and more knowledgeable than Jesus Christ about the Bible and history, would you find it hard to be his follower?
Good night. I have no desire to engage in any kind of dialogue tonight.
***Good night. I have no desire to engage in any kind of dialogue tonight.***
Have a good night!
When they start name calling, they're getting way too emotional. They become virtual reality girlie-men.
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