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Natural Law in Our Lives, in Our Courts
Catholic Online ^ | April 2, 2004 | J. Budziszewski

Posted on 09/03/2004 8:47:55 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day

Natural Law in Our Lives, in Our Courts (Part 1)

J. Budziszewski on the 4 Ways of Knowing It

AUSTIN, Texas, APRIL 1, 2004 (Zenit) - Legal scholars and theologians debate over the details of natural law, but an expert in the field believes that the fundamentals are something that we can't not know.

J. Budziszewski is professor of government and philosophy at the University of Texas and author of several books, including most recently, "What We Can't Not Know: A Guide" (Spence Publishing).

Budziszewski shared the four God-given witnesses of natural law: deep conscience, the designedness of things in general, the particulars of our own design, and natural consequences.

Part 2 of this interview will appear Friday.

Q: Your many books and articles in publications such as First Things have expressed the importance of recovering the moral truths of natural law. Briefly, how have you developed this thought over your academic career?

Budziszewski: At the beginning of my academic career I would have agreed with George Gaylord Simpson that man is the result of a meaningless and purposeless process that did not have us in mind.

When I acknowledged God, I was forced to acknowledge that the process has been neither meaningless nor purposeless; natural law expresses both "nature," the human design, and "law," the Designer's command.

In order to think clearly about these things one must unlearn a variety of errors and intellectual vices, and sometimes it seems this is all I do. On the other hand, the culture as a whole has to do the same thing, so perhaps it is not such a bad thing for some of its intellectuals to carry on their unlearning in public.

Q: What is it about natural law that attracts you to the topic? How have your studies of natural law been affected by your own pilgrimage of faith? What conclusions have you come to?

Budziszewski: In the first chapter of the epistle to the Romans, St. Paul makes an interesting remark about the pagans. Their problem isn't that they ought to know about the Creator but don't; it's that they do know about the Creator but pretend that they don't, worshipping created things instead.

In modern language, they aren't ignorant, but in denial. It seems to me that this is our problem not only with God but also with his basic moral requirements, and that the natural law tradition needs to wrestle with this problem more seriously. That is what most of my work is about.

Do these matters have anything to do with my own pilgrimage of faith? Yes, certainly. In the old days, when I said there was no God, was no good, and was no evil, it was my way of putting my thumb in his eye, because, like all of us, I really knew better.

Having been redeemed despite myself, I think I've gained some insight into these processes of denial, and in gratitude, the least I can do is write about them.

Q: Why do you say that natural law is written on the heart? Isn't the law of grace what is written on the heart? Or are they really the same?

Budziszewski: The phrase comes from St. Paul's remark in the second chapter of the book of Romans that when gentiles who do not have the law of Moses do what the law requires, they show that the "works" of the law -- its requirements -- are written on their hearts.

Traditionally, this has been considered a reference to the natural law, but it refers to grace, too. As the Catechism explains, "the preparation of man for the reception of grace is already a work of grace," and as my friend Russell Hittinger has written, the natural law is the first of these preparations -- the "first grace."

The metaphor of writing on the heart is deeply embedded in Scripture.

Jeremiah 17:1 declares that the sin of the people is written on their hearts. Proverbs 3:3 and Proverbs 7:3 exhort the people to write the law on their hearts.

In Jeremiah 31:33, quoted in Hebrews 8:10 and Hebrews 10:16, God promises to write the law on their hearts more perfectly. And Romans 2:14-15 declares that the "works" of the law, meaning the commands without this promise of further grace, are written on the hearts of everyone already.

Q: How is the natural moral law different from the physical laws of nature, like gravity?

Budziszewski: Strictly speaking, law is an ordinance of reason for the common good, promulgated by the one who has care of the community.

It is addressed to a mind that can understand what is demanded and act accordingly. Principles like gravitation are "laws" only in an analogical sense. They certainly result from God's governance, but the falling apple is not freely and rationally aligning its behavior with a rule that it knows to be right.

Q: How is it even possible to know the natural law, considering how disputed its contents are?

Budziszewski: I hear much about this supposed dispute, but I don't believe in it.

People who talk about the natural law pretty much agree about its basic contents -- don't murder, don't commit adultery, honor your parents, and so on. They are the same things you find in the Decalogue. Moreover, these precepts are recognized -- even if only in their breach -- by societies in every time and place.

Disagreements concern not the basics but the details; as C.S. Lewis put it, the peoples of the earth may disagree about whether you may have one wife or four, but they all know about marriage.

Even the cannibal knows that it is wrong to deliberately take innocent human life; what he claims is that the people in the other tribe aren't human. I strongly suspect that deep down, even the cannibal knows better. Why else does he perform elaborate expiatory rituals before taking their lives?

Q: How then do we know the natural law?

Budziszewski: There seem to be at least four different ways that "what we can't not know" is known. In the spirit of St. Paul's remark that God has not left himself without witness among the nations, these might be called the Four Witnesses.

First, and in one sense the most fundamental, is the witness of deep conscience -- the awareness of the moral basics that has traditionally been called synderesis. Although it can be suppressed and denied, and must be distinguished from conscious moral belief, it continues to operate even underground.

Second is the witness of the designedness of things in general, and consequently of the Designer, which some people have called the "sensus divinitatis."

In another sense this is even more fundamental than deep conscience, because unless deep conscience has been designed to tell us truth, there is no reason to take deep conscience seriously. That, by the way, is the cardinal problem of so-called evolutionary ethics.

Third is the witness of the particulars of our own design. An example is the complementarity of the sexes: There is something missing in the makeup of the man which can be completed only by the woman, and something missing in the makeup of the woman which can be completed only by the man. Don't we all really know that?

I cannot be completed by my mirror image; I am made for the Other. A Christian, of course, suspects that this prepares us for intimacy with God, for whom we were also made, but who is even more Other.

Last is the witness of natural consequences. Those who cut themselves bleed; those who abandon their children have none to stroke their brows when they are old; those who suppress their moral knowledge become even stupider than they had intended. And so it goes.

We may think of this witness as the teacher of last resort, the one we are forced to confront when we have ignored the other three.

Q: I understand that you and your wife are to be received into the Catholic Church at Easter. Did your study of natural law lead to your decision to become Catholic?

Budziszewski: No, but it had something to do with it. I will always be grateful for what I learned in evangelical Protestantism, among other things its fierce loyalty to the truth and authority of the Bible.

If you do believe that the Bible comes from God, however, then you have to believe that the natural law comes from him, too, because the Bible so plainly presupposes and points to it.

In particular, it confirms all Four Witnesses: Consider for example its confirmation of the witness of deep conscience in Romans 2:14-15, which I have mentioned already, and its confirmation of the witness of natural consequences in Galatians 6:7. For this reason, I was deeply perplexed that Protestantism did not teach the natural law, and that some influential Protestant writers even condemned belief in natural law as unbiblical and pagan.

Of course I couldn't help wondering why the only place where this deeply biblical doctrine was preserved in its purity was the Catholic Church. This was especially unsettling because, according to Protestant prejudice, the Catholic Church does not take holy Scripture seriously.

Q: It seems that after a long period of skepticism, Protestants have begun to embrace the natural law tradition in recent years. What accounts for this change?

Budziszewski: This welcome change is more a return than a reversal, because the earliest Reformers believed strongly in natural law.

John Calvin remarked: "Now, as it is evident that the law of God which we call moral, is nothing else than the testimony of natural law, and of that conscience which God has engraven on the minds of men, the whole of this equity of which we now speak is prescribed in it. Hence it alone ought to be the aim, the rule, and the end of all law."

Martin Luther made similar remarks. This is one of a number of Catholic beliefs that Protestants used to accept but have over the years given up.

What happened in recent years to bring conservative Protestants back to natural law is that the culture became biblically illiterate. In former generations, Protestants could speak with their neighbors about shared concerns in the language of holy Scripture, because their neighbors knew the Bible and respected it.

Today that is impossible. The new situation requires quoting the Bible less, but following its apologetical example more closely.

Consider the example of St. Paul. When he broached Christian topics with pagans, he didn't pull Scripture verses from his pocket. Instead he appealed to things they knew at some level already.

More and more, Protestants are finding that they must now do as Paul did. In the broadest sense, however, what Paul was following was the method of natural law.


TOPICS: Ecumenism; General Discusssion; History
KEYWORDS: conscience; merechristianity; naturallaw; selfevident; universallaw
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To: Dumb_Ox
And with the threads of the past two days, it becomes evident that certain theologies have an interest in denying natural law,...

And which theology might that be? ;-)

21 posted on 09/04/2004 11:51:30 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
"Natural law does not say man is basically good. It would be fairer to say that man knows the difference between good and evil from birth."

Well, what good and what evil? Do you think everyone born has the 10 commandments written on their heart? Or they know the difference between Christ and Satan? And if someone doesn't exhibit the "thou shall not steal" or "thou shall not murder" trait then he REALLY has it written on his heart but it's just surpressed.

Nice trick but, with all due respect to the many fine Western people throughout the ages who have believed this, no cigar. I would need more than this article to prove this to me.

BTW-I have no idea where anyone stands (including myself) on this theologically. It just seems logically stupid to me.

22 posted on 09/04/2004 12:35:34 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: thePilgrim
In the six months or so that I've been around here as the Religion Moderator I've seen the term "heretic" bandied about often enough that I would have to guess that at least one person from every so-called group that habituates the forum has called someone outside his/her group a "heretic". It's been used so often in fact, that IMO it's almost lost all its meaning on this forum.

However, before I could answer your question(s) specifically I would need to know precisely how a "hyper-Calvinist" equates to "heretic". So far as I know its common usage meaning is merely someone who has "out Calvined Calvin" (usually in the area of predestination/double predestination). No one, to my knowledge, has equated "hyper-Calvinist" with being non-Christian.

My short answer, then, and without some further clarification of terms from you, would be that my understanding of heretic does not include "hyper-Calvinism". My longer answer would probably include some comments to the effect that if more people around here would practice the art of forgiveness these kinds of questions wouldn't come up in the first place.

23 posted on 09/04/2004 12:49:23 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: HarleyD
BTW-I have no idea where anyone stands (including myself) on this theologically. It just seems logically stupid to me.

It made sense to John Calvin, and countless other well-regarded Christian theologians of all persuasions.

I will agree that it is impossible to reconcile natural law with total depravity as some members of the GRPL view the extent of total depravity. I think some members of the GRPL say total depravity when they are actually describing absolute depravity or some closely akin to it.

It is my view that man is totally depraved in the sense that he has a sinful nature and cannot by any means earn eternal life. In other words he is totally drprived of the ability to save himself because perfection is the standard absent a saving knowledge of Christ.

And if someone doesn't exhibit the "thou shall not steal" or "thou shall not murder" trait then he REALLY has it written on his heart but it's just surpressed.

Some people steal and know it is wrong, and some people even steal so much and so often that it becomes such a part of their nature that it can actually alter their brain chemistry so that they can no longer comprehend that it is wrong. How else do you think Ted Bundy was able to pass a lie detector test?

24 posted on 09/04/2004 2:08:16 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: jude24

I agree with you. The sad part is that you Calvinists are the ones labeled as the disruptors.

In the service of the Lord,


25 posted on 09/04/2004 3:27:34 PM PDT by thePilgrim
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To: Religion Moderator

I'm sorry, I presumed, that you were fully versed in the terms.

I'm not sure how you have come to define heretic as someone who is non-Christian when the definition itself and its origin in Greek plainly reveals that it is a division WITHIN the Christian church. Please see 1 Co 11:19. I'm also not even sure that its common theological use today is to mean that the individuals are not saved, even if there may be an implication that such persons may not be saved. There is, after all, a level of doctrinal error which is so great that one cannot possibly know the Lord in any salvific way. But, that is neither here nor there.

My concern is that you seem to be glibly dismissing the use of hyper-Calvinist when it is plain that Calvinists themselves regard hyper-Calvinists as heretics. Of course, whether or not the term on this forum has lost all meaning is irrevelant to YOUR job, unless you want to admit that the term has lost all meaning with you as well. If that is the case, then you might as well declare that heretic is a perfectly acceptable word.

Furthermore, I don't think you even has a firm grasp of the common meaning of a hyper-Calvinist. Hyper-Calvinism, simply stated, is a doctrine that emphasizes divine sovereignty to the exclusion of human responsibility. It, therefore, is NOT a question of predestination/ double-predestination, which are both orthodox Calvinist & Reformed doctrines and have existed for millennia. I suppose that you may be under some confusion that Supralapsarian Calvinism, or high-Calvinism as it is sometimes called, are all hyper-Calvinists. This is actually a modern blurring of the terms, just as Phil Johnson does for what seem to be political reasons with the CRC. Supralapsarian Calvinists, unless they are excluding human responsibility cannot be hyper-Calvinists, even if their order of decrees is wrong.

As far as acts of Christian charity and forgiveness, I'd also like to point out another equally import thing which Christians are COMMANDED to pursue, which is JUSTICE. That becomes impossible when a false balance is used or when the judge is not sufficiently knowledgable in Christian doctrine. It is not not a mutally exclusive end with forgiveness. We are actually commanded to both seek justice and give a place for our wrath. Even if we are prevented from seeking justice, we can still have faith that the Lord himself will sort it all out. So, whether you wish to do anything about permitting us to seek justice is not so important for us.

I do appreciate the time you took. I presume by your response that I should be free to label any of the posters here as Pelagians, Molinists, Open-Theists, Modalists, Unitarians, Sabellians, Monarchianists, Subordinationists, deists, Ebionites, Docetists, Arians, gnostics, neo-gnostics, etc (I'm sure I'm missing a few that are listed in my book of Christian orthodoxy, heterodoxy, & heresy). After all, under your definition, they cannot be considered heretics, i.e. non-Christian, since the originators of these doctrines were a part of the visible Christian church. And, from my reading of this forum, there are plenty of examples here. It might be interesting to see just how skilled some of the other groups here are at practicing this version of forgiveness when they are daily labeled with these interesting terms.

In the service of the Lord,


26 posted on 09/04/2004 4:24:29 PM PDT by thePilgrim
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To: connectthedots

***you act like an immature crybaby ala Kerry***

blah, blah, blah, babble, babble, babble

***I don't go whining to the moderator***

No, one of your neener pals has already admitted to that. It seems to me that you are among the ones who bait and he/ they are the ones who come along with the popcorn for the show and to punch abuse.


27 posted on 09/04/2004 4:42:01 PM PDT by thePilgrim
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To: thePilgrim
I presume by your response that I should be free to label...

As has always been the case, you are free to say anything you wish to say, while I am obligated to react to what you say according to the rules and guidelines given to me by the owner of the site. That is to say, let your conscience be your guide, and take the responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

It seems to me that you're overlooking Christ's several mandates regarding forgiveness (70x7; forgive me as I forgive them; etc), but that is on your head. But be that as it may, I am not here to justify my actions nor to listen to long-winded and repetitive divinations of "the rules". If you - and, of course, everyone else - would conduct yourself on this forum as a Christian, there would be no need for me or my "office".

As you say (or rather, almost say), let God mete out justice; it will not be achieved by mortal man. In any event, I'm not going to engage in a long and drawn out discussion of the rules. They are clearly posted, they are easily understood and it should be clear to all that they are most times enforced with a certain amount of lenience. If that is not satisfactory, well, there are other places on the Internet one can go vent. I've heard the argument "I did no wrong, he's the one!" so many times that it carries little or no weight any longer. Rather than demand the Golden Rule, practice it, and you'll do just fine.

28 posted on 09/04/2004 4:42:10 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: HarleyD
I happen to think Natural Law is a bunch of hoo-hah. It cannot be proven one way or another.

True, but the same can be said for many, many ideas, philosophies, and world religions.

Can you prove Christianity is true? Can you prove Christ died for our sins? Can you prove that the Holy Ghost is real, and can teach us the truth of all things?

29 posted on 09/04/2004 5:01:40 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Kerry sees two Americas. America sees two John Kerrys. It's mutual.)
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To: Religion Moderator
...if more people around here would practice the art of forgiveness these kinds of questions wouldn't come up in the first place.

If more people practiced "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," we wouldn't have terms like "heretic" and "non-Christian" thrown about.

30 posted on 09/04/2004 5:05:23 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Kerry sees two Americas. America sees two John Kerrys. It's mutual.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Can you prove Christianity is true? Can you prove Christ died for our sins? Can you prove that the Holy Ghost is real, and can teach us the truth of all things?

Not to anyone but myself. Christianity is based on faith. That's the way God designed it. And we have the scriptures to support these views. (We'll leave it at that.)

But there is no inspired Word of God for the natural law hypothesis. It's like believing the ten tribes of Israel settled in the US. People develop all sorts of philosophies and use scriptures to support their position. Or evolution and gathering spurious data to support the contention while ignoring other evidence to the contrary.

A person can choose to believe natural law or not. Lots of far great men of faith then I'll ever be believed in it. To me it doesn't make any difference unless someone chooses to shade their theology according to this philosophy which is not based on scripture. That is always a danger in these types of things. I personally don't accept anything unless I'm certain it's true.

31 posted on 09/04/2004 5:50:24 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: thePilgrim

One would think a member of the GRPL such as yourself ought to be a bit careful about tossing around the word heretic when one of the main remaining mambers of the GRPL claims that Billy Graham preached/preaches a false Gospel.


32 posted on 09/04/2004 5:52:00 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Religion Moderator
Unfortunately, you have not done anything to clarify the rules for me, specifically why the pejorative & divissive label "hyper-Calvinist" is kosher, but you cannot give your seal of apporval to other labels. Perhaps, given your denominational affiliation in the PC(USA), you also think that the majority of the Calvinists on this forum are hyper-Calvinists, thus the term is appropriate. Your suggestion that the theological distinction lies in the area of predestination might lead you to believe that double-Predestinarians are hyper-Calvinists. Who knows. The funny thing is that I think I might be able to find numerous statements from Calvin himself which demonstrate that Calvin believed in a double predestination. After all, you can't have a conscious selection of one to receive eternal life without also having a conscious knowledge that those not elected will receive eternal condemnation.

Perhaps a theology primer would be in order:


33 posted on 09/04/2004 7:47:23 PM PDT by thePilgrim
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To: connectthedots

I don't remember electing myself to the GRPL. Perhaps I was unconditionally elected and the Calvinists have just forgotten to tell me I'm in the club. Just think, the KOETT have begged for inclusion and I have not even asked, but got elected anyway. Now, I get to know all the cool stuff.

Wow, this kind of thing should be proudly displayed on my resume.

{!}

NEENER!
NEENER!
NEENER!


34 posted on 09/04/2004 7:52:24 PM PDT by thePilgrim
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To: thePilgrim

Perhaps some time off would do you as well.


35 posted on 09/04/2004 8:02:40 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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