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Scandal at St. Joseph's University
Tradition Family Property.org ^ | 10-14-04 | TFP.org

Posted on 10/14/2004 8:27:29 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: stuartcr
Since God created everyone, including homosexuals, and knows all their is to know about everyone...why would this offend Him?

God created prostitutes and alcoholics too, but we don't celebrate those lifestyles, do we?
41 posted on 10/15/2004 10:48:34 AM PDT by Antoninus (Abortion; Euthanasia; Fetal Stem Cell Research; Human Cloning; Homo Marriage - NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES)
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To: Coleus

Done. Thank you for providing the link.


42 posted on 10/15/2004 10:51:18 AM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: Antoninus

No one mentioned celebrating anyones lifestyles...just offending God.


43 posted on 10/15/2004 11:11:32 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: old and tired; ninenot; GirlShortstop
Precisely.

There is no agnostic or atheist way to run a Catholic University. If it is Catholic, it is Catholic and if not, not.

A "rainbow" mass to celebrate sexual perversion is an abomination. Those responsible should be fired and taken out of contact with the public if they are professed religious.

44 posted on 10/15/2004 12:25:27 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: stuartcr; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe

We are taught that if we consider the reality and weight of the vision that we hope in, that that is faith. Likewise,we are taught that our eyes are limited in their ability to see certain frequencies or realities, but that there is, nonetheless, evidence in the Bible and in our natural world and natural selves for the reality of those unseeable God-caused things. This also is called faith.

When I take the hopeful vision and unseen evidence together, then I have a powerful tool to go along with the evidence that I CAN see.

Actually, it is stronger than evidence for other philosophies and opinions and beliefs of humanity.

I have a very solid basis for saying that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Let me encourage you to read again the Gospel of John and to see again the movie "The Passion."


45 posted on 10/15/2004 12:59:22 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: xzins

While I believe in one God, and have read the Gospels, I cannot find it in myself to believe in reincarnation, virgin birth, or the need for salvation.


46 posted on 10/15/2004 1:05:13 PM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: Salvation

Maybe you guys should quit the false church and send your children to BYU!


47 posted on 10/15/2004 2:02:06 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man

No thank you. My husband attend Judge Memorial High School. He experienced reverse discrimination there. Hopefully it is still not present.


48 posted on 10/15/2004 3:16:07 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: BlackElk

You are quite correct. The problem is that in the last dozen or so years many Jesuit institutions have either been sublimating, or eliminating altogeher references to any overt Catholic Identity.

They will usually identify themselves as "a Jesuit apostolate". This then begs the question: what exactly is a Jesuit...today?

They will make enough allusions to a vaguely Catholic identity - or past - in order to attract unwary students and their parents $$$. It is that simple!!! the saddest truth is the Jesuit order has been at the forefront of dissent in the church over the last 35 years......on every imaginable liberal agenda & issue. Particularly homosexuality.

They see the "acceptance" of gays within the church as a paramount issue. This is primarily because they have denegrated into nothing but a "pink palace", with many branch offices, locally and nationwide. And they have vast financial resources to keep going, even though their membership has shrunk to less then a third of what it was in the 60s.


49 posted on 10/15/2004 4:43:36 PM PDT by thor76 (Our Lady of La Sallette, pray for us. Marie Julie Jehany, pray for us!)
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To: stuartcr
I cannot find it in myself to believe in reincarnation

I doubt any of the Christians here believe in reincarnation, either.

50 posted on 10/15/2004 4:50:00 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: stuartcr
While I believe in one God,

SS. Is your "god" not powerful enough to do what "he" wants too?

51 posted on 10/15/2004 4:55:24 PM PDT by sausageseller
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To: thor76; ninenot; GirlShortstop; Mershon; marshmallow; Salvation
Indeed!

I graduated a Jesuit prep school in 1964. When next I visited the school to visit my very best Jesuit teacher at the priests' residence, I found him angry over the goings on at the prep school as early as 1969.

In 1963, there had been a debate between the egregious Fr. Drinan, then Dean of Boston College, Law School and Bill Buckley. When Drinan spoke, the prep school faculty Jesuits unanimously turned their faces to the walls as their collective expression of disapproval of the liberal Drinan. Nearly all of them wildly applauded each salvo by Buckley against Drinan as did most students.

A mere six years later, the best teacher I had ever had the privilege of having had retired because the new leadership of the school was substituting "modules in modern dance and in baking" for the Olympic classical and quite Catholic curriculum we had enjoyed. He nearly suffered a stroke explaining the educational degeneracy that had overcome previous standards.

He had already suffered one stroke that had given him substantial disability. He had been a 25-year minor league professional baseball pitcher who entered the Jesuit seminary when he finally retired from baseball. He told me that he had to become a Jesuit because in this career he was going to reach the major leagues immediately.

Today's Jesuit pygmies (or worse) stand on the shoulders of the Jesuit giants raised to the honors of the altar like St. Ignatius Loyola and St. Francis Xavier but also on the shoulders of lesser known giants of the faith and of education such as my now long-dead teacher whom I have described here.

The Society of Jesus has much in the way of assets, it is true, but history provides a means to deal with today's miscreants. The society was once suppressed for 75 years or so and survived only under the protection of Czar Peter the Great and then only in Russia. JP II took out the execrable Jesuit General Pedro Arrupe and replaced him with Paolo Dezza, a quite orthodox Catholic, but then allowed the Jebbies to have another election which resulted in the election of Kolvenbach who has spent decades waiting for JP II to die.

This set of Jebbie problems is a lot older than a dozen years or so. Not counting the good but aged Fr. Dezza, there have been three consecutive bad generals: Jan Baptiste Janssens of Belgium, Pedro Arrupe of Spain and Hans Pieter Kolvenbach of the Netherlands. Bear in mind that three quarters of the Jesuits professed the fourth vow of personal fealty to the pope, any pope. The last worthy and healthy general was the Polish Jesuit Wlodcharksy (sp.?) whose term extended from WWI to WWII. Whatever residual reputation the order may have of a positive sort is likely related to him.

Another favored expression when today's Jebbies are perpetrating mail fraud upon unsuspecting contributors and potential students of actual Catholic faith is to describe their schools as having a "Catholic heritage."

All this too will pass away. Our Redeemer liveth and He will return.

52 posted on 10/15/2004 5:47:11 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Amen! Well said!

I remember that JPII removed Arrupe, but I forgot about Dezza. How long did he last? It seems not very long at all. I almost forgot about him!


53 posted on 10/15/2004 5:53:10 PM PDT by thor76 (Our Lady of La Sallette, pray for us. Marie Julie Jehany, pray for us!)
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To: thor76; BlackElk

I think we MUST pray for the Jesuits to return to the original intent of their order as set forth by St. Ignatius of Loyola.


54 posted on 10/15/2004 6:18:53 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: BlackElk

Thanks for sharing your story. How did I know that you were the one to ping for this story?? Your name just popped into my head......really.


55 posted on 10/15/2004 6:20:37 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Dont worry.....they will either reform, or die out soon. They had as many as 36,000 members in the mid 60s, now it is something like less then 11,000 worldwide.


56 posted on 10/15/2004 6:20:50 PM PDT by thor76 (Our Lady of La Sallette, pray for us. Marie Julie Jehany, pray for us!)
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To: Salvation

No, it's mostly from the mainstream side against us these days.


57 posted on 10/15/2004 7:43:17 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: xzins; stuartcr; P-Marlowe; betty boop
Thank you so much for the ping to your beautiful post and testimony, my dear brother in Christ!

We are taught that if we consider the reality and weight of the vision that we hope in, that that is faith. Likewise,we are taught that our eyes are limited in their ability to see certain frequencies or realities, but that there is, nonetheless, evidence in the Bible and in our natural world and natural selves for the reality of those unseeable God-caused things. This also is called faith.

So very true.

As a mental challenge, one might consider that our vision and our minds are limited to four dimensions - three of space, one of time. And yet all of our best theories of physics indicate that there are many other dimensions, including the possibility of additional temporal dimensions. The Curse of Dimensionality (pdf).

I assert that the dimensional limitation of our vision and minds serves God's purpose (Genesis 2-3).

Moreover, Geometric Physics makes very clear the "unreasonable effectiveness of math" in our 4D experience. And that underlines Einstein's wisdom, his dream of 'transmuting the "base wood" of matter into the "pure marble" of geometry' - because 4D matter of all kinds can "arise as a manifestation of a higher dimensional vacuum". Space-Time-Matter Consortium.

IOW, all that is seen is but geometry - or as Einstein once said "reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen [are] temporal; but the things which are not seen [are] eternal. – 2 Cor 4:18

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. – Hebrews 11:13

I find it very interesting that so many things we Christians have accepted on faith for so long, science - particularly math, physics, and cosmology - has lately come to confirm.

Even the first three words of the Bible, In the beginning are wonderfully profound. All cosmologies whether cyclic, ekpyrotic, imaginary time, inflationary - big bang, multi-worlds or multi-verse … all point to fact of a beginning. As Robert Jastrow who wrote God and the Astronomers said in an interview,

JASTROW: Oh yes, the metaphor there was that we know now that the universe had a beginning, and that all things that exist in this universe-life, planets, stars-can be traced back to that beginning, and it's a curiously theological result to come out of science. The image that I had in my mind as I wrote about this was a group of scientists and astronomers who are climbing up a range of mountain peaks and they come to the highest peak and the very top, and there they meet a band of theologians who have been sitting for centuries waiting for them.

The Scriptures say:

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. – Gen 1:3

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. – Psalms 33:6

And astronomy now says:

Harmonics in the Early Universe – 6/5/2001

The peaks indicate harmonics in the sound waves that filled the early, dense universe. Until some 300,000 years after the Big Bang, the universe was so hot that matter and radiation were entangled in a kind of soup in which sound waves (pressure waves) could vibrate. The CMB is a relic of the moment when the universe had cooled enough so that photons could "decouple" from electrons, protons, and neutrons; then atoms formed and light went on its way.

Even the natural sciences are feeling the tsunami of the unreasonable effectiveness of math. As a thought experiment, consider a dead skin cell next to a live skin cell and ponder What is Life?. Strangely, it is not a question that biology addresses, but it is of keen importance to physicists and mathematicians who have now engaged in the research.

Their answer? The difference is information, “successful communication” as paraphrased from the Shannon definition. The question now being engaged is where did that information (and the attendant geometry) come from?

Of course, we Christians already know the answer:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. – John 1:1-5

As with the fact of a beginning to many cosmologists, I assert that the fact of an origin of information in the cosmos will leave many other scientists humbled before God.


58 posted on 10/15/2004 9:55:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: mountaineer

I thought it was necessary to believe that Jesus rose from the dead, to be a Christian?


59 posted on 10/17/2004 5:36:17 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: sausageseller

I believe there is only one, all-powerful, all-knowing, God for all...not mine


60 posted on 10/17/2004 5:37:32 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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