Background to the "flip-flops" of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre

Nice quote, OptimusPrime5. Can you let us know the prime source document?

In the meantime - there is much about the schism and excommunication of Lefebvre and Co. of which well-meaning persons are unaware.

I hope this helps those people back to communion with the only living person who qualifies as the Vicar of Christ in Rome.

Excerpt from Chapter 15 of Apologia pro Marcel Lefebvre by Michael Davies, including comments on a Letter from Paul VI to the Archbishop.
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[Pope Paul:]"When We received you in audience on 11 September last at Castelgandolfo, We let you freely express your position and your desires, even though the various aspects of your case were already well known to Us personally. The memory that We still have of your zeal for the faith and the apostolate, as well as of the good you have accomplished in the past at the service of the Church, made Us and still makes Us hope that you will once again become an edifying subject in full ecclesial communion. After the particularly serious actions that you have performed, We have once more asked you to reflect before God concerning your duty.

"We have waited a month. The attitude to which your words and acts publicly testify does not seem to have changed. It is true that We have before Us your letter of 16 September in which you affirm: 'A common point unites us: the ardent desire to see the cessation of all the abuses that disfigure the Church. How I wish to collaborate in this salutary work, with Your Holiness and under your authority, so that the Church recover Her True countenance.' How must these few words to which your response is limited – and which in themselves are positive – be interpreted? You speak as if you have forgotten your scandalous words and gestures against ecclesial communion – words and gestures that you have never retracted."

As these "scandalous words and gestures" are not specified it is hard to decide to what the Holy Father can be referring. Is it scandalous to reiterate the traditional teaching of the Church; to protest against abuses; to demand that Catholic children should be taught their faith; to celebrate Mass in the manner utilized by so many popes and holy priests for five centuries-and in all essentials for 1,000 years? No, if we are to look for scandal we should look to those bishops who cooperate in the devastation of the Lord 's vineyard or, if they do not actively cooperate, make not the least effort to intervene in the interests of orthodoxy. Dietrich von Hildebrand writes:

"One of the most horrifying and widespread diseases of the Church today is the lethargy of the guardians of the Faith of the Church. I am not thinking here of those bishops who are members of the 'fifth column,' who wish to destroy the Church from within, or to transform it into something completely different. I am thinking of the far more numerous bishops who have no such intentions, but who make no use whatever of their authority when it comes to intervening against heretical theologians or priests, or against blasphemous performances of public worship. They either close their eyes and try, ostrich-style, to ignore the grievous abuses as well as appeals to their duty to intervene, or they fear to be attacked by the press or the mass media and defamed as reactionary, narrow-minded, or medieval. They fear men more than God. The words of St. John Bosco apply to them: 'The power of evil men lives on the cowardice of the good.' One is forced to think of the hireling who abandons his flocks to the wolves when one reflects on the lethargy of so many bishops and superiors who, though still orthodox themselves, do not have the courage to intervene against the most flagrant heresies and abuses in their dioceses or in their orders.But it is most especially infuriating when certain bishops, who themselves show this lethargy towards heretics, assume a rigorously authoritarian attitude toward those believers who are fighting for orthodoxy, and who are thus doing what the bishops ought to be doing themselves! The drivel of heretics, both priests and laymen, is tolerated; the bishops tacitly acquiesce in the poisoning of the faithful. But they want to silence the faithful believers who take up the cause of orthodoxy the very people who should by rights be the joy of the bishops’ hearts, their consolation, a source of strength for overcoming their own lethargy. Instead, these people are regarded as disturbers of the peace... The failure to protect the holy Faith leads necessarily to the disintegration of the Church."2

If we are looking for scandal we need only look as far as the campaign to destroy the Society of St. Pius X. It is in perfect conformity with the spirit of the “Conciliar Church” that legitimate resistance to an abuse of power should be termed scandalous, and not the abuse of power itself.

[Pope Paul]: "You do not manifest repentance, even for the cause of your suspension a divinis."

It is precisely the Archbishop’s refusal to submit to an abuse of power that caused his suspension. It is those guilty of the abuse of power who should repent.

[Pope Paul]: "You do not explicitly express your acceptance of the authority of the Second Vatican Council and of the Holy See – and this constitutes the basis of your problem – and you continue in those personal works of yours which the legitimate Authority has expressly ordered you to suspend."

The Acts of the Second Vatican Council are only Acts of the Ordinary Magisterium. The Council Fathers deliberately chose not to invest even one conciliar document with that infallible status which demands immediate and total acceptance. Mgr. Lefebvre's attitude is the correct attitude of a Catholic towards documents of the Ordinary Magisterium- to receive them with respect and to accept them where they conform with Tradition but to exercise a prudent reserve where they do not -for in such cases the possibility of error does exist.3 What Pope Paul demanded was that the Archbishop must accept the fallible Acts of Vatican II as if they were infallible. Not only was the Archbishop required to accept all the Acts of the Council itself -as has been shown in this book on several occasions, he was required to accept the post-conciliar orientations. Where the Acts of the Council themselves are concerned, there is no bishop in the world who, comes closer to implementing them than Mgr. Lefebvre. The only documents he refused to sign were those on The Church in the Modern World and Religious Liberty. His reasons for doing so are set out in Appendix IV:

[Pope Paul:]"Ambiguity results from the duplicity of your language."

Yes, it is quite true. Pope Paul VI is accusing Mgr. Lefebvre of ambiguity and duplicity after approving in forma specifica all the devious actions taken against the Archbishop -and this must include an invitation to a discussion which turned out to be a trial [which was illicit and which denied him due counsel or any means of self-defense as guaranteed by Canon Law.--ultima ratio.]

[Pope Paul:]"On Our part, as We promised you, We are herewith sending you the conclusions of Our reflections. In practice you put yourself forward as the defender and spokesman of the faithful and of priests 'torn apart by what is happening in the Church,' thus giving the sad impression that the Catholic Faith and the essential values of Tradition are not sufficiently respected and lived in a portion of the People of God, at least in certain countries."

As Mgr. Lefebvre made clear during his sermon at Lille, he has never put himself forward as the leader of the traditionalists (Chapter XIII). The Vatican thus invests him with a title to which he has never laid claim, and then attacks him for laying claim to it! Another example of the “Conciliar Church” in action!

If Mgr. Lefebvre has given the impression that the essential values of Tradition are not respected in certain countries, he is doing no more than stating a fact which has been so obvious for so long that it is something which truly faithful Catholics now take for granted. The fact that there is not a single hierarchy in the West prepared to uphold and teach the truths and traditions of our faith is now accepted as quite normal rather than a cause of scandal. Organizations such as Pro Fide in Great Britain of Catholic United for the Faith in the U.S.A.., which have never been connected with Mgr. Lefebvre, have produced thousands of pages of ducumented evidence detailing liturgical, doctrinal, and catechetical abuses which almost invariably remain uncorrected. This is a charge which I would not have the least difficulty in proving where Great Britain is concerned. When they are presented with irrefutable proof that their catechetical directors are preventing Catholic children from learning their faith, the reaction of British bishops is to ignore the interests of the children and leap to the defense of their “experts.” I repeat, this is something I can prove if challenged.

In a message to the People of God issued on 11 October 1977, the Synod of Bishops included the following:

"…the vitality and strength of the entire catechetical activity of the Church is clearly felt almost everywhere. This has produced excellent results for the renewal of the entire community of the Church. ...Despite some areas which cause concern, the number of present initiatives in this field, visible almost everywhere, is striking. Over the past ten years, in all parts of the world, catechesis has become a primary source of vitality leading to a fruitful renewal of the entire community of the Church."

There is only one possible comment regarding this statement-it is quite untrue. As a result of the initiatives taken over the past ten years the results are indeed striking -the accelerating decomposition of the Church throughout the West. To paraphrase once more a statement by Tacitus with which I concluded my book Pope John's Council: "When they create a wilderness they call it a renewal."

[Pope Paul:]"But in your interpretation of the facts and in the particular role that you assign yourself, as well as in the way in which you accomplish this role, there is something which misleads the People of God and deceives souls of good will who are justly desirous of fidelity and of spiritual and apostolic progress."

When the Synod of Bishops met to vote upon the document just cited it was approved almost unanimously. If the Pope had wished to accuse bishops of misleading the People of God and of deceiving souls of good will, there was clearly no lack of suitable candidates for such a reproach-the fact that he reserved it for one of the very few bishops to whom it is not applicable is another example of the Conciliar Church in action.

[Pope Paul:]"Deviations in the faith or in sacramental practice are certainly very grave, wherever they occur. For a long period of time they have been the object of Our full doctrinal and pastoral attention."

What exactly did Pope Paul mean by his "full doctrinal and pastoral attention"? The manner in which he exercised his authority was well described by Hamish Fraser in the July 1977 issue of Approaches. He comments:

"Having promulgated the New Mass, which was intended by its authors to initiate a permanent liturgical revolution, Pope Paul undoubtedly bears a terrifying responsibility for the consequent liturgical (as well as doctrinal) chaos. Similarly, he bears grave responsibility for the subversion of catholic education. On the one hand, although details concerning catechetical subversion have been reported to the Holy See time and again, nothing has been done to discipline the bishops guilty of imposing heretical catechisms on the schools under their control. On the other hand, by sanctioning the continued use of the New (Dutch) Catechism (subject only to its carrying an Appendix adverting to its most egregious error, which Appendix is simply ignored by those who use this compendium of Neo-Modemist heresies), he gave great comfort to the New Catechists responsible for catechetical subversion… Pope Paul must bear responsibility for the breakdown of Law within the Church and the consequent abuse of power at all levels. His pontificate, probably the most disastrous in history , has been characterized less by 'a suspense of the functions of the ecclesia docens' (teaching Church - Cardinal Newman's description of the state of affairs in the fourth century), than by a suspense of the ecclesia sanctificans (the sanctifying Church) and of the ecclesia gubernans (the governing Church) It is undoubtedly true that, but for this partial suspense of the functions of the ecclesia docens, and the near total chaos concerning the functions of the ecclesia sanctificans and the ecclesia gubernans there would have been no need for Mgr. Lefebvre to found the Econe seminary and there would certainly have been no danger whatsoever of his coming into conflict with the Holy See."

Mr. Fraser's allegations concerning the total inactivity of the Holy See in the face of liturgical, doctrinal, and catechetical abuses are fully corroborated by the letter sent to Pope Paul by twenty-eight French priests on 27 August 1976 and included in this book under that date.

[Pope Paul:]"Certainly one must not forget the positive signs of spiritual renewal or of increased responsibility in a good number of Catholics..."

With all due respect to the late Holy Father, there is not one indication of renewal anywhere in the Church which can be ascribed to Vatican II. There are, it is true, fruitful and inspiring apostolates such as that of Mother Teresa of Calcutta; however, this was not inspired by Vatican II but pre-dated it. An indication of the true nature of the fruits of Vatican II is provided in Appendix VIII to my book Pope John's Council:

[Pope Paul:]"...or the complexity of the cause of the crisis: the immense change: in today's world affects believers at the depth of their being, and renders ever more necessary apostolic concern for those 'who are far away.' But it remains true that some priests and members of the faithful mask with the name 'conciliar' those personal interpretations and erroneous practices that are injurious, even scandalous, and at times sacrilegious."

Take careful note: sacrilege is being committed; the Council is used to justify sacrilege; and it is the Pope himself who testifies to this fact. It is quite clear that any fault Mgr. Lefebvre might be guilty of would pale into insignificance beside a single act of sacrilege-but it was against Mgr. Lefebvre alone that the Pope took positive action.

[Pope Paul:]"But these abuses cannot be attributed either to the Council itself or to the reforms that have legitimately issued therefrom, but rather to a lack of authentic fidelity in their regard. You want to convince the faithful that the proximate cause of the crisis is more than a wrong interpretation of the Council, and that it flows from the Council itself."

Pope Paul was correct in stating that Archbishop Lefebvre claims that the Council is the cause of the crisis but the Pope contradicted all the available evidence in claiming that neither the Council nor the official reforms could, in fact, be blamed for the erroneous, scandalous, and indeed, sacrilegious practices which exist. It must be clearly understood that in making such a statement the Pope was expressing his opinion on a question of fact-i.e.: Have or have not the official reforms helped to create the atmosphere which engendered the abuses? Pope Paul said "No"; Mgr. Lefebvre said "Yes.” In a dispute concerning a matter of fact we must base our decision upon the available evidence and not upon the status of the parties concerned. In his diary giving the background to the encyclical Apostolicae Curae, Cardinal Gasquet relates how, in January 1895, Pope Leo XIII explained to Cardinal Vaughan that a small concession on the part of the Holy See would bring the majority of Englishmen into communion with Rome. He asked for the Cardinal's help in achieving this objective. The Cardinal felt bound to tell the Pope bluntly that his opinion had no "foundation in fact." Subsequent events proved the Cardinal to be right and the Pope to have been completely mistaken -he had put too much faith in the opinions of ecumenically-minded French priests who were totally ignorant of the situation in England. No one in authority likes to admit making an error of judgment and there is a natural tendency among subordinates never to suggest that their superiors have erred. A prelate of lesser character than Cardinal Vaughan would not have spoken so bluntly; the same can be said of St. Paul, Bishop Grosseteste, and St. Catherine of Siena -to name but three of those who have rightly rebuked the Pope of their day for pursuing policies which harmed the Church (See Appendix II). Pope Paul's personal prestige had become inextricably linked with the Council and the post-conciliar reforms and orientations to which he was committed. It is an incontestable fact that never in the history of the Church had there been so sudden and so widespread a decomposition of Catholicism. Historians will certainly record that the Pontificate of Pope Paul VI proved to be the most disastrous during the history of the Church. There is, however, considerable scope for a difference of opinion on the reason for this collapse.

One version, and it is a version which deserves consideration, is that a series of sincere but misguided pontiffs failed to keep pace with an unprecedented advance in human progress, that they failed to adapt the Gospel to the profound developments manifest in every other branch of society and contented themselves with repeating archaic and stereotyped formulae that were meaningless to a mankind which had "come of age." The capital fault of these pontiffs had been to fail to "read the signs of the times." These particular signs were, through the intervention of the Holy Ghost, made manifest to the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council, who at last undertook the urgently needed task of adaptation. It is argued that due to the short-sighted policies of pontiffs prior to Pope John XXIII, the Church was totally unprepared for this process of adaptation and that, to a large extent, it had come too late. Thus, this school of thought argues, the decomposition of the Church would have come anyway; Pope Paul and his policies are in no way to blame (except where he tried to uphold the traditional positions as in the case of Humanae Vitae); and if it had not been for the post-conciliar orientations the disaster would have been even greater.

Archbishop Lefebvre's view is that it is precisely the post-conciliar reforms and orientations to which Pope Paul himself was committed, and the virtual carte blanche which this Pope had given to Modernists to undermine the faith in any way that suited them (rarely opposing them with anything more than pious exhortations), to which the present crisis is due. Humanly speaking, it would have been almost impossible for Pope Paul VI to admit this -even to himself. He would have thus admitted not simply that his pontificate had been the most disastrous in the history of the Church but that his policies had been responsible for the disaster. When someone in authority initiates a policy which does not succeed, the almost invariable reaction is to find some explanation other than that the policy itself was wrong. When an education official introduces a new system of teaching reading which results in illiterate children, he will blame the teachers, their methods, lack of parental cooperation -anything and anyone but his own judgment. The history of the papacy makes it clear that the popes themselves are only too human. We should not be surprised that Pope Paul attempted to justify the orientations to which he was committed -it would have been a miracle of grace if he had not. If we read the history of the papacy we shall find many occasions when we could wish miracles of grace had occurred but didn't!

This has been a long comment on a short passage in the Pope's letter -but it involves what is perhaps the most crucial issue for faithful Catholics in the whole controversy between the Archbishop and Pope Paul VI. The faithful Catholic tends to presume that anyone who disagrees with the Pope on any topic whatsoever must certainly be wrong -and he cannot be condemned for this attitude as it has been one that has been inculcated for centuries, particularly in Protestant countries. “Keep the faith " has been equated with "Give uncritical support to every papal act and opinion." Now that it has come to the point that there can be a contradiction between keeping the faith and supporting the Pope, few orthodox Catholics are able to make the necessary distinction. I am not arguing here that the Pope's interpretation of the reasons for the crisis is incorrect and that of Archbishop Lefebvre correct, simply that the Pope could be mistaken. I will leave readers to examine the evidence presented in my book Pope John's Council and decide for themselves whether or not it establishes that the Council and the official reforms and orientations are responsible for the present crisis.

I will content myself here with citing just one specific example. I am sure that every orthodox Catholic, whatever his views about Mgr. Lefebvre, would agree that there has been a great decline in reverence towards the Blessed Sacrament, particularly among children. Pope Paul VI insisted that this has nothing to do with the official reform, Mgr. Lefebvre insists that it does. Before the reform children knelt to receive Holy Communion on the tongue from the consecrated hands of a priest. Now it is quite common for them to receive it standing, in the hand, from one of their teachers or even from a fellow pupil. How can it be argued that these revolutionary changes have not contributed to the decline in reverence? Yet these revolutionary changes were official orientations to which the Pope himself was committed.

Drooling drivel penned by the spiritually damned in anticipation of the eternal condemnation awaiting them. May their punishment be equal to the gravity of their sin.

Our Lady of La Salette, pray for us.
Saint Pius X, pray for us.
Saint Padre Pio pray for us.

100 Michael Davies, 1000 Theologians, any number of canon lawyers or bishops do NOT = 1 Pope! Sorry about that! The Pope is the Vicar of Christ with the POWER to bind and loose; the Supreme Law Maker; the Supreme Interpreter of the Law - and HE has lawfully declared Lefebvre & Co as schismatic and excommunicated.

Get over it - and come back to the Church and fight the "good fight" within Her.

I have nothing to say to schismatic sedevacantists - save and ecept that you have done something which the Lord prohibited - you have made a judgement on the state of my soul. Of that, He stated "judge not that you might not be likewise judged."

We are all called upon to make prudential judgements - such as whether or not to obey the civil law of driving on the correct side of the road. However, we are absolutely prohibited from doing what you have done.

May the Good Lord have mercy on you and return you to your senses.

Can you let us know the prime source document?

The epitome of arrogance - to infer you speak for "....us...." ( me ). But then, one should not be at all surprised. It was your pen that exposed your adolescent conceit.

I have nothing to say to schismatic sedevacantists

.....like the Chinese communist atheist sanctioned Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association (CCPA-Official Church), embraced by Karol Wojtyla, and his socialist co-conspirators who control the United States Conference of Bishops?

Did you know these heretics - who only bow to Mao - are allowed to stand before the faithful at a consecrated altar and mock the Transfiguration with their evil hands?

Who rises to defend schismatic sedevacantists in the Vatican and within the ranks of priests and bishops throughout the world? Only the deaf, dumb and blind.

Who rises to defend heretics in the Vatican

The pope has the power to bind and loose--but he does not have the power to condemn the innocent. Divine Law precludes this. You need to hone up on what it means for anyone in the Church--including a pope--to abuse power. You seem to think he can do whatever he pleases, according to his own whims. This is false. A pope may never act with injustice. This is because while no pope is bound from below, yet each is bound from above--by Heaven itself. A pope therefore may NOT declare what is false to be true; he may NOT unjustly accuse the innocent without evidence; he may NOT claim someone is schismatic or disobedient or rebellious who merely acts to protect the traditional faith.

By the way, I AM in the Church. I am in no way out of the Church simply because I criticize bad popes.

Here's another basic fact you need to comprehend better. While the pope is the supreme legislator and judge and jury in the Church--he still must act and legislate and judge justly. If he does not, even if his judgments have a LEGAL validity, they lack a MORAL effect--and may be treated as nullities by those he condemns. This is the case with the SSPX. There is no case against them whatsoever. They merely defend the faith against postconciliar factions which have done unprecedented damage to the Church. You need to thank God for this, not rail against it.

A couple of decades ago in Palmar de Troya, Spain, the Vietnamese Archbishop Thuc consecrated several bishops for the self-proclaimed Pope Gregory XVII. You may be familiar with the case.

Using the criteria which you propose to judge Lefebvre's innocence (ie. grave fear for the true faith and acting for the salvation of souls rather than disobedience of papal directives), I see no way to conclude that Thuc excommunicated himself with this consecration. Who's to say that Thuc did not truly believe that he was acting in the best interests of the Church and for the salvation of souls? He more than likely did believe this. Yet excommunicated he most surely was.

This issue seems to me to be similar to the "conscience" question. It's often said that if a man's conscience does not accuse him of wrongdoing, then he has done no wrong if he does not know any better and is doing his best to follow his conscience. This is only half the story. The other half is that we have a duty to form our conscience in the light of authentic teaching and truth. So having a clear conscience is not, per se a free pass if we have not taken care to form our consciences with due care and attention. For that matter, it's quite possible that those presently committing atrocities in the name of Islam feel that they are protecting the "true faith".

Similarly here. Just because a bishop, any bishop, feels that a situation calls for the consecration of other bishops and he really believes this, does not give him carte blanche to do it. For implicit in this judgement is the assumption that he and not the Pope has a mandate to do this. It assumes that he and not the Pope is the guardian of the true faith.

Using your criteria, nobody can be judged guilty of flouting papal authority.

Furthermore if you claim that the Pope cannot know if Lefebvre is guilty, then you cannot know if Lefebvre is innocent. You cannot have it both ways.

The two cases are somewhat different. Archbishop Lefebvre acted to preserve the traditional Mass from destruction. He never recounced the Pope himself personally as did Archbishop Thuc. This said, perhaps the latter felt justified in conscience. We are living in terrible times. It is difficult to get at the real truth in these matters. Rome certainly is the last place to look if one wants to get the straight story about anything. It has its own very sharp axes to grind.

Your point about an informed conscience is true--but it is a leap to think that Archbishop Lefebvre, who had spent his lifetime as a missionary priest and bishop in Africa, whose entire lifetime was spent in strict obedience to the faith could not recognize the dangers posed to the Church by the postconciliar onslaught against Catholic Tradition. It is an absurd contention. Rather one has to wonder about postconciliar papal consciences--and how they may be reconciled to the disasters that have been so recklessly imposed on the Church.

Since you are new to FreeRepublic, you might not be aware that this kind of post needs to be labeled VANITY. Whenever you post your own writing that has not been published somewhere else, it is a vanity post. You'll notice that there are numerous vanity posts, but they are clearly labeled as such, and in general they are discouraged, since that is not the purpose of FR.

If you believe your thoughts on the SSPX or other topics are worthwhile, find an editor somewhere who agrees with you and get him to publish your writings.

"I hope this helps those people back to communion with the only living person who qualifies as the Vicar of Christ in Rome."

I doubt that it will help to bring about the conversion of the princes of the Church who openly commit acts of disobedience and promote heresy, like Cardinal Mahoney.

OH wait, they are "in communion" with the Pope, never mind.

PING

And you seem to think you have authority to declare whether or not the Pope is in compliance with Divine Law and Canon Law.

I am sure you realize the Pope is the authentic interpreter of Canon Law.

Canon 331 states: “The office uniquely committed by the Lord to Peter, the first of the Apostles, and to be transmitted to his successors, abides in the Bishop of the Church of Rome. He is the head of the College of Bishops, the Vicar of Christ, and the Pastor of the universal Church here on earth. Consequently, by virtue of his office, he has supreme, full, immediate and universal ordinary power in the Church, and he can always freely exercise this power.”

Canon 332 §1 “The Roman Pontiff acquires full and supreme power in the Church when, together with episcopal consecration, he has been lawfully elected and has accepted the election.”

Canon 16 §1 says, “Laws are authentically interpreted by the legislator (the Pope)and by the one to whom the legislator ( the Pope) has granted the power to interpret them authentically.”

Canon 333 § 3 “There is neither appeal nor recourse against a decision or decree of the Roman Pontiff.”

*Other than your usual appeal to your own perssonal opinions, you have no grounds for opposing the Pope and engaging in the same sort of private judgement which is no different than the behavior engaged in by protestants.

Please link to any Traditional Magisterial Teaching which endows laymen with any such authority which justifies your continued attacks upon the Pope and your continued refusal to obey.

One other point about informing one's conscience. Have you ever tried to get clear information from a Vatican source? The entire postconciliar edifice has been predicated upon obfuscation and denial of the principle of non-contradiction, as if past doctrines might be affirmed and denied at the same time. Even the Catechism is riddled with ambiguity. The last thing Rome gives anybody these days is a straight answer.

Archbishop Lefebvre, on the other hand, derived from a Thomistic theological background that prided itself on clear thinking. He was well aware that the doctors of the Church warned even popes must be disobeyed if their commands would be harmful to the Church. And he was fond of citing St. Paul writing to the Galatians: "If anyone--even an angel come down from Heaven--should preach to you a gospel other than the one I have preached to you, let him be anathema."

whose entire lifetime was spent in strict obedience to the faith ....

Schism, Obedience and the Society of St. Pius X, and The Story of the Vanishing Schism:

The Strange Case of Cardinal Lara

by John Beaumont and John Walsh

"...During the last twenty years a not inconsiderable number of Catholics have followed the lead given by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X founded by him, thinking that this was the way to defend what they believed to be the traditional Catholic faith in a time of crisis in the Church...

...The Consequences of These Errors

...How can the Society of St. Pius X still be in communion with the pope and the Church? Consider the following facts: The Society establishes seminaries, churches, chapels, and priories throughout the world without any reference to the local ordinaries in whose dioceses it carries out these acts. This is contrary to the Code of Canon Law (Canons 234, 237, 1215, 1223-1228).

It ordains priests without the dismissorial letters required by Canon Law (Canons 1015, 1018-1023).

It hears confessions and celebrates marriages without jurisdiction (Canons 966-976, 1108-1123).

It gives Holy Communion to persons who are well known sede vacantists (Canon 844). This is in spite of the fact that Archbishop Lefebvre himself regarded such movements as having a "schismatic spirit" (Open Letter to Confused Catholics (1986), p. 155). It refused Pope Paul VI's command to close the seminary at Econe and wind up the Society (see the letter of the Commission of Cardinals to Archbishop Lefebvre and that of Pope Paul VI to the Archbishop, dated 6th May, 1975 and 29th June, 1975 respectively. both of which are reprinted, together with the Society's responses, in Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre, Volume One, pp. 57- 59; 112- 119).

It carries out confirmations in other bishops' dioceses. This is contrary to the Council of Trent which decrees that:

"No bishop is permitted under any pretext or privilege whatsoever to exercise episcopal functions in the diocese of another bishop, without the permission of the Ordinary of the place and with regard to persons subordinate to the same Ordinary. If any bishop does otherwise, he will be lawfully suspended from his episcopal functions . . ." (Sess. VII, cp. 5, emphasis supplied).

It purports to accept John Paul II as pope and yet rejects parts of the 1983 Code of Canon Law promulgated by him in his capacity as supreme legislator (see, e.g., Archbishop Lefebvre and the Vatican, ed. Fr. François Laisney (1988), pp. 176-178). Finally, in 1988 the Society consecrated four bishops, knowing that this was against the express will of the pope, and then in 1991 proceeded to consecrate a further bishop in a diocese (Campos in Brazil) where, as the Society itself recognizes, there is already a valid bishop. This is contrary to Canon 1013. Furthermore, the Society of St. Pius X cites not a single declaration of a pope or a council (to say nothing of theologians and Church fathers) stating that there may be a legitimate episcopal consecration against the will of the pope. But according to Pope Pius XII, who was so revered by Archbishop Lefebvre. an episcopal consecration done against the will of the pope is an offense against divine law. "No one may legitimately confer episcopal consecration unless in advance the particular papal authorization is in [the consecrating bishop's] possession. Through this criminal act there is carried out a most serious attack on the unity of the Church Itself. Therefore, for such a consecration performed against divine and human law, there is established the penalty of excommunication . . ." (Apostolorum Principis [1958]).

To sum up, then, here is an organization which pays no regard whatsoever to the commands and laws of legitimate authority in the Church and which refuses to do the express will of the supreme pontiff in matters of great importance for use visible unity of the Church. Put all of these things together and what we have is an autonomous organization, a petite eglise, an independent Church. If this does not constitute schism, what does?...

*Of course, such facts wil be overlooked or ignored or rejected due to whatever....The more I read the posts of some on here the more it appears that some are incapable of seeing the simple truth before their eyes

Archbishop Lefebvre acted to preserve the traditional Mass from destruction.

'Isn't this Liturgy of John XXIII the one in which you priests were trained and ordained at Ecône?'

The answer is no. We received no appreciable liturgical training whatever at Ecône, and until the September of 1976 the Mass was that of the early years of Paul VI. (Indeed, concelebration was permitted in our first statutes.) The celebrant sat on the side and listened to readings, or himself performed them at lecterns facing the people. The only reason the readings were done in Latin and not in French, we were told, is that the seminary is an international one! (Interestingly enough, the Ordinances of the Society, signed by Archbishop Lefebvre and currently in force, allow for the reading of the Epistle and the Gospel in the vernacular - without reading them first in Latin.)

"It would be difficult to say what liturgy was followed at Ecône, because the rubrics were a mishmash of different elements, one priest saying Mass somewhat differently from the next. No one set of rubrics was systematically observed or taught. As a matter of fact, no rubrics were taught at all.

"The best I can say is that over the years a certain eclectic blend of rubrics developed based on the double principle of

what the Archbishop liked, and what one did in France.

"These rubrics range rather freely from the Liturgy of St. Pius X to that of Paul VI in 1968. It is simply the 'Rite of Ecône,' a law unto itself...

"As for our seminary training, we were never taught how to celebrate Mass. Preparation for this rather important part of the priestly life was to be seen to in our spare time and on our own. The majority of the seminarians there seem never to have applied themselves to a rigid or systematic study of the rubrics, as may be seen from the way in which they celebrate Mass today ...

"At one time we were taught to reject the Vatican Council II entirely..."

The Roman Catholic, by Fr Daniel L. Dolan, June 1983.

*What you claim for the excommunicated schismatic you follow is quite different from the facts.

Background to the “flip-flops” Of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre

Introduction

Reconciliation of the Priestly Union of Saint John Mary Vianney, Campos, Brazil

My 2 cents on just ONE part of Fr. Scott's letter:

Preliminaries:

1955 to 1970

1955 to 1970
- the Vacillations

The Consequences:
Excommunication for Schism

Some Documents of the Case Include:

Schism, Obedience and the Society of St. Pius X, and
The Story of the Vanishing Schism:
The Strange Case of Cardinal Lara
by John Beaumont and John Walsh