Posted on 01/08/2005 10:31:13 PM PST by Coleus
Mass shows support for dozens of gays, lesbians
'Let go of anger and hate,' pastor says
BY STEVE SCOTT
Pioneer Press
Responding to requests by families and friends of gays and lesbians, the Rev. John Clay celebrated a Mass of healing and support Thursday night at St. Stanislaus Catholic Church in St. Paul.
Nearly 150 people at the church at West Seventh Street and Western Avenue heard Clay call for people to love "those who aren't like us."
He implored them to "listen to what it feels like to grow up in a society in which the majority is hostile" to the sexual-orientation minority.
About a half-dozen members of a group identifying themselves as orthodox Catholics scattered themselves about the church and said they prayed for those attending to remain faithful to church teaching.
"This cuts across the whole spectrum,'' said Clay, 78, a longtime pastor at St. Stanislaus. "It's got nothing to do with being liberal or conservative at all. I don't think liberals and conservatives will ever get together. I think we're called to a deeper way, which is love. We need to let go of anger and hate.''
Before Holy Communion, the first names of dozens of gay and lesbian people brought forward by families and friends were read aloud as part of a sung prayer.
Many attendees couldn't remember a similar Mass being held in St. Paul.
"As long as this is done in a loving, pastoral way in keeping with the teachings of the church, which this seems to be, there's no problem with it,'' archdiocese spokesman Dennis McGrath said earlier Thursday. "It's intended to be a welcoming, healing Mass."
McGrath reiterated previous archdiocese statements that Catholics "in a state of grace" are welcome to Communion, although church teaching would prohibit those who are in sexual relationships but unmarried.
A polite but spirited conversation followed the Mass between a woman who identified herself as a lesbian in a longtime relationship and two men who had protested the appearance of gay-rights supporters at the Cathedral of St. Paul last spring.
"You pick what you want to believe,'' said Bob Tatreau of Woodbury. "So do you,'' said the woman, a parishioner at St. Stanislaus.
As a lengthy dialogue about sexuality and church teaching drew to a close, Jack Peterfeso of St. Paul said, "I love you as a sister; I don't love your sin."
"I love you," she responded, "and I don't agree with you."
The Wanderer is a good paper.
The term "objective disorder" is a philosophical term. It is used to describe homosexual attractions because such attractions can never lead to a morally good sexual act.Note that the term "objective disorder" describes same-sex attractions, not people. IOW, when people like Charlie and Marie Girsch (see post #1) write,
We ... are confused by messages from some of our Church leaders, suggesting that the teachings of Jesus render our gay brothers and sisters as 'objectively disordered' ...they are misstating the Church's position.
I can love these guys at least enough to tell them not to partake in behavior that will shorten their life expectancy by 30 years AND, by the same amount, shorten that of their partner.
I can also love them enough to tell them that face a judgement before God with the possibility of eternal separation from Him by rejecting Him, and that indulging in certain behavior is rejecting Him.
What next ...? Preists in dog collars?Don't laugh. Back in 2002, there was such a case in the Diocese of Brooklyn. It involved Fr. John Thompson, pastor of St. Elizabeth (Queens) who celebrated Masses for the leather sub-group of Dignity known as Defenders.
When Barbara Samide, the principal of the parish school, blew the whistle on Fr. Thompson for stealing close to $150,000 from the school for expenses incurred in connection with his male lover -- a 19-year-old male go-go dancer who had lived in the rectory since January 2001 -- the erstwhile bishop of Brooklyn, Bishop Daily, had her fired.
NJ Catholic Priest will Bike to Raise Money for the NY Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Community Center
Just in case you didn't see this one yet.
Blecch.
Note that homosexuals call any disagreement with their agenda or disapproval of their perversion "hate" that must be eliminated.
Homo-fascism is what it is.
Now that is true charity.
If you want on/off the list let me know.
Minneapolis/St. Paul is a homosexual hotbed!!!!
Homofascism...good term. I like it, very appropriate.
If you haven't read "The Pink Swastika" by Kevin Abrams and Scott Lively, you'd be fascinated. It's a very well researched and detailed book about the history of the Nazi party and philosophy, and its link with homosexuality. It's available in its entirety online and I lost my link to it. It's also on Amazon. I have read it twice, the first time I stayed up all night to finish it.
"The Hidden Hitler" by Lothar Machtan (a German historian) provides a reasonable case that Hitler was himself a homosexual. Very convincing, and the author is not even anti "gay" rights.
"Pink Swastika" has more information about the Nazi philosophy and background, "Hitler" is more narrowly focused on H himself. There is a very deep connection between the Nazis and homosexuality, and the current "gay" rights movement its child in philosophy and method.
Thanks very much for posting this. I've got it saved. Truth is what sets homosexuals (or anyone) free, not lies, pats on the head, and saying "there, there, you're fine just as you are."
Thanks for the info, lj.
I would be interested in reading that. I doubt if I can get in anywhere up here in Canada...it would likely be considered hate literature and banned. If I tried to order it from the library I would probably be arrested, so alas, I will buy it.
I for one am shocked! Just SHOCKED I tell you!/ sarcasm ;^)
The whole novus ordo religion is a different religion.
It has its own "pope", catechism, bible, it is definitely the whore of babylon being used by satan to lead people away from the Traditional Catholic Faith, Outside of which there is no salvation.
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