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To: sevry; Rosary
The snip from fatima.org prefaced as "The Real Third Secret":

In her 1957 interview with Father Fuentes, Sister Lucy spoke: .....And since the Rosary is, after the holy Eucharistic liturgy, the prayer most apt for preserving faith in souls....

FYI............

In 1957 there was no such thing as the Eucharistic liturgy and there most assuredly was no such thing as the Eucharistic liturgy in 1917. Our Lady would never have said any such thing to sister Lucy because the Eucharistic liturgy is a novus ordo service, invented in the 1960s and is primarily responsible for the widespread apostacy that prevails in the Catholic Church.

Therefore, "The Real Third Secret" is obviously not the REAL third secret at all.

That's the short of it, hopefully it suffices for you to, not necessarily agree with me, but at least understand my point that Fr. Gruner is not one of the good guys.

214 posted on 02/17/2005 4:37:15 AM PST by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Stubborn

My understanding is that the third secret was originally written on a slip of paper, consisting of about 25 lines. The Vatican's third secret took up three pages. This tells me that the Vatican has its own version.


215 posted on 02/17/2005 4:43:11 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: Stubborn
In her 1957 interview with Father Fuentes, Sister Lucy spoke: .....And since the Rosary is, after the holy Eucharistic liturgy, the prayer most apt for preserving faith in souls

I'm just telling you how their own website reads. Thus the link. Click on the link. And answer the questions I posed.

I see that Fr. Gruner attempted a simple mission, one for which I suspect he didn't expect to encounter SUCH opposition from the highest levels of the Vatican, even dragging him before a rigged tribunal (where conflict of interest was the rule among his judges). And he persists because it is a holy cause. If it was deemed important for Our Blessed Mother to say these things to Sr. Lucy, if Fatima was so important that it added to Catholic devotion in the 20th century, and it did, if it even seems that those in the Vatican since John 23rd have decided not to honor Our Lady's request, and then produced a horribly self-contradictory document when they did publish what they represented as the one and only note containing this last secret, then surely he believes that it is a continuing holy calling and mission, more now than ever, particularly in the face of that. In his position, I hope and pray that I would feel the same, against such opposition that he might even count His Holiness, were his holiness self-aware and of sound mind rather than the feeble Theoden, as it were, to Saruman's worm-tongue (he signed the writ this morning, says the bitterly possessed Wormtongue as he holds up the order against Eomer in LOTR, Peter Jackson retelling).

217 posted on 02/18/2005 3:35:21 AM PST by sevry
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