Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

ELCA Council Drafts, Forwards Three Resolutions on Homosexuality
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America ^ | 11 April 2005 | ELCA NEWS SERVICE

Posted on 04/11/2005 7:32:11 PM PDT by lightman

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last
This is the offical news release from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. My earlier post was from a cursory reading of the pdf file containing the recommendations.
1 posted on 04/11/2005 7:32:11 PM PDT by lightman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: lightman

Given the lopsided votes against even more radical change, one wonders what the outcome would have been of a vote to uphold current standards (the request of no less than eight Synods). One wonders further why such a motion was not made.


2 posted on 04/11/2005 7:40:35 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lightman
Given the lopsided votes against even more radical change, one wonders what the outcome would have been of a vote to uphold current standards (the request of no less than eight Synods). One wonders further why such a motion was not made.

My guess would be that they don't want to maintain the current standards. They have been looking the other way regarding violations for years; they are ready now to make things ok and out in the open.

Lightman, are you involved in Word Alone?

3 posted on 04/11/2005 8:11:12 PM PDT by aberaussie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: lightman; aberaussie; TonyRo76; MarMema; sionnsar

Here I am again, your Evangelical Orthodox Lutheran friend!

Someone posted on the other thread that their ELCA pastors told them to "leave the interpretation of scripture to experts". Well, even in the ELCA, NO ONE has ever told me that. After all, I know more theology than many ELCA pastors, especially those who have forgotten every bit of theology they ever knew and replaced it with the feminazi/revisionist tommyrot! However, I know that the ELCA liberals in my blue state neck of the woods consider me VERY "intolerant" and much, much too pro-Serbian.

Remember, besides the gaysbian garbage, the ELCA is liklely to approve that new feminazi liturgy and hymnal, which I call "Deconstructing Worship". Between a feminazi "liturgy", gaysbian "pastors", and seminary "professors" who have abandoned the faith for blue state/Eurotrash "culture", I'm likely to go all the way to the Orthodox Church!!!!


4 posted on 04/11/2005 8:50:17 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Colonel_Flagg

Post #4 is for you, too!


5 posted on 04/11/2005 8:53:57 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Honorary Serb
At the very least, the ELCA is headed for a red Synod/blue(or lavender)Synod complexion.
6 posted on 04/11/2005 8:55:41 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: lightman

My synod is as blue as can be, and as I found out recently, the "lavender" aspect of the synod is much too close to home for confort.

That is one reason I am thnking Orthodox, since decent Lutheran alternatives are just not there. "All church membership is local".


7 posted on 04/11/2005 8:59:38 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Honorary Serb

Thank you for the ping .. I should point out that my comment on the other thread was a story related to me by a friend. I am no longer a member of the ELCA.


8 posted on 04/11/2005 9:00:49 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (I'm entitled to ... bite off your left ear.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Honorary Serb
Even the red Synods are changing hue. But I am impressed by the very conservative young seminarians coming along. Each generation rebels against the previous generation so there is hope that as the 60's folks move into retirement a more orthodox leadership will emerge. Just Newtonian physics applied to ecclesioloy.
9 posted on 04/11/2005 9:04:17 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: lightman
The problem is, will we last that long?

We just got over a serious leadership problem which led to a serious money problem...now people are leaving or withholding their money because of this ELCA foolishness. Our church has close to or over a million dollar budget to keep our facility open and our staff paid. If we can't pay the bills, we can't offer the ministries. I really resent this stuff interfering with legitimate ministries of the church.

10 posted on 04/11/2005 10:28:51 PM PDT by aberaussie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: lightman

ELCA: Let's go jump off the cliff with the Episco-Baalians.


11 posted on 04/12/2005 2:14:23 AM PDT by kaehurowing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lightman
But I am impressed by the very conservative young seminarians coming along.

If you knew what was going on at the sems, you would not be.

12 posted on 04/12/2005 5:09:24 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Honorary Serb; redgolum; aberaussie

There is a terrible irony in the timing of the Council's action on the Monday of the Third Week of Easter. The daily Epistle for yesterday was from 1 John 4:

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. And this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."

And the opening Collect in the American Lutheran Publicity Bureau's "For All The Saints" daily prayer book was:

"God our Father,
your light of truth guides us to the way of Christ.
May all who follow him reject what is contrary to the Gospel.
We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son,
who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit,
one God, for ever and ever."


13 posted on 04/12/2005 5:22:20 AM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: newgeezer

Your ex-homies.


14 posted on 04/12/2005 5:33:15 AM PDT by biblewonk ("Ah yyeah, I'm gonna go ahead and have you move to the smokey back room")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lightman
May I appropriate your post for my blog?

I use it for keeping lots of info on the ELCA issue(s) in one place for interested people, particularly those in my church.

15 posted on 04/12/2005 6:20:00 AM PDT by aberaussie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: lightman
I don't understand why they bothered with the Journey Together Faithfully survey. The ELCA members clearly said 'no' to this (56% opposed to same sex unions and non-celibate gay pastors, 15% in favor).

And the Church Council presses on anyway. If they intended to ignore the membership all along, why did they bother to ask for our input? (rhetorical question, not need to answer)
16 posted on 04/12/2005 6:22:03 AM PDT by javachip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: aberaussie

Please don't give a dime of you rmoney to the ELCA...at any level. Follow the money trail and you'll run for the door.


17 posted on 04/12/2005 6:24:50 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: biblewonk
Your ex-homies.

The apostate church.

18 posted on 04/12/2005 10:54:33 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: aberaussie

Absolutely!


19 posted on 04/12/2005 10:54:56 AM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Honorary Serb

Kind of figured you would be heading to the SO church. Don't blame you. Just don't forget to pray for those in the ELCA who are trying to figure out what to do now.

I just hope the LCMS doesn't decide to jump off the cliff also.


20 posted on 04/12/2005 11:19:39 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson