Posted on 04/20/2005 8:59:20 AM PDT by Tantumergo
The NO will be reformed. It will have some mystery and beauty restored to it, and the English translation will be an honest one. I can't make myself believe it'll go away. I like to think it'll wither on the vine -- gradually, as the traditional Mass is freed and young priests are trained to offer it. This is not something that can be done overnight. True, you can open a museum in five years, but it takes longer than that to revive a culture.
He has given a number of other interesting speeches on the issue, like THIS for instance.
However, a normal Sunday or even a weekday Mass is not an "extraordinary" situation. It's not unusual for the priest to sit down and let the EEMs have at it. Sometimes Eucharistic Ministers outnumber the hoi polloi in the pews. There are more chiefs than Indians. That's ridiculous and a complete distortion of the real purpose of this dispensation.
I don't know why you feel the need to answer questions posed to someone else.
I for one, don't know what his answer when you answer it.
I'd appreciate it if you'd let me dialogue with someone without you jumping to conclusions.
I have my reasons for asking what I ask just as I have reasons for stating what I state.
It's great that the writer of them is now our Holy Father.
Laudate Jesu Christus!!
Virtual schism? So now the N.O.s have the ability to read consciences?
gbc, we are getting into the territory of reading tea leaves and horoscopes.
I answered you. Don't be cute, like I said the Pope has every right to reform the Mass, and change elements of it.
I'm not being cute. I asked a question. An important one. That question was not, "Does the Pope have the right to reform the Mass?"
Nothing in the revealed truth has ever and would ever be changed. So your question is nonsensical.
No. That answer is non-sensical. I didn't ask if anything of revealed truth would ever be changed. Since truth doesn't change, you're statement is redundant.
I asked if the Pope has the right to "try" to destroy the Church.
The answer is no,
The answer is actually "yes".
because the Pope, by the power vesting in him uniquely, is the authority in matters of Faith and Morals. When speaking ex-Cathedra, he is infallible.
What does any of this have to do with him declaring anything under the protection of the charism of infallibility?
This lead to the conclusion that the Pope can't commit Heresy, per se.
Again, I didn't ask if the Pope can commit heresy. I asked if he can "try" to destroy the Church. By the way, the Pope can commit heresy.
Yes, I think the N.O. will be immediately tightened up. That alone will be traumatic for the liberals. It would be a tactical mistake to go straight to the Tridentine as it was in its suppression 40 years ago. I am very optimistic but trying not to become overly so because I don't know the extent to which the new Pope will institute reform.
My hope is he will transition to the Tridentine in the vernacular then to Latin. My sense is he will go for a hybrid first while allowing the unrestricted celebration of the Tridentine in its old form.
I would be thrilled if Pope Benedict used the Tridentine for his Sunday Inaugural Mass.
Refer to 70. If you can't read we can't debate.
What makes you say this? Has the Pope indicated that he would do this in previous writing as a Cardinal?
Thanks.
Did you see the "at most"? :)
In the past couple of days I've read several items and posted part of Cdl. Ratzinger's comments on the Liturgy. I will try to get a collection together if I can. That's the overall sense I get from his writings; he believes VII was not properly enacted. He believes it was a mistake to create the N.O. and suppress the Tridentine.
He wrote the foreword to Klaus Gamber's critique on the reform of the liturgy.
Here's a hanky punkin ;-)
hmmm...I asked a "yes" or "no" question. It seems that was too much.
We have a new pope, Benedict XVI, the SSPX has Pope Fellay.
That's a new one. Not! But straw man arguments are not.
Maybe he will return but I betcha he likes that pointy hat more than the Church.
He never left.
For the most part, this is over. I have no need to have you regurgitate SSPX pamphlets.
What pamphlets? I asked a "yes" or "no" question and you crumble? More fiction. Jumping to conclusions must be quite a lot of exercise.
I certainly have no need for someone too nasty to talk with gbcdoj, who is a pretty decent guy even though I don't always agree with him all the time either.
I wasn't being nasty. I simply wanted you to answer a simple question. Not him. You don't always agree with him by your own words. So, I don't trust him to answer for you. I didn't spew any bile. I haven't imputed motives like you have regarding Fellay or any of the SSPX and I haven't been anything but hopeful regarding Pope Benedict's possible attitude and actions. It just seems to me from your answer that you don't want to face the conclusions that I suspect you have reached because of the simplicity of the question which would inevitably cause you to rethink your prejudice.
I answered and you didn't like it. Sorry, try again.
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