Posted on 05/25/2005 10:35:49 PM PDT by sinkspur
ROTFLMAO!!!! 10 bucks says our biblewonk has no idea who the Gnostics were.
Maybe they forced him to take the oath with the understanding that when or if he breaks it, they can kick his heretical behind out.
I wouldn't take that bet, and I'm a gambling man.
Of course now, he'll probably do a google search.
The Church never dropped the obligation. At least, penance of some sort remains a requirement of Friday observance. When I learned this (relearned this, that is) a couple of years ago, my family continued this erroneously neglected practice from my youth.
Newgeezer, as I previously posted to biblewonk, when Catholics need your opinions on matters Catholic we will be sure to ask. Meantime, MYOB. You guys can trespass and Catholics can remind you of your trespass and of how very unwanted and unneeded are the preachy ministrations of the biblically deviant. To which of the tens of thousands of differing and squabbling sects of the "reformed" (each of which will claim that its Scriptural idiosyncracies are the TRUTH) do you belong or are you part of the "Nobody here but us Christians" dodge to avoid the identification of the obvious errors of your particular cult?
Run your cults and sects as you will. No Catholic ought bother wasting time telling you how you should do so. Not that such would be anynof OUR business any more than Catholicism is any of yours.
Perhaps you should find a Catholic forum on which to post your private discussions. In the meantime, try to come to grips with the fact that every thread on FR is open to every registered member.
Go practice your pompous "MYOB" line on someone under your thumb.
I have also said that the Catholic response is not to indulge the impertinent buttinskis in the "Biblical" debating society that they soooooo crave as though the Bible were the only source of religious authority (when you don't have a pope or even a priesthood, I suppose you have to settle for what you can get on the cheap: a book and some reading lessons and the presumption that you are some sort of religious authority therefore) but to remind them to mind their own business which is the business of their own churches and NOT the business of the Roman Catholic Church to which they do NOT belong OR MYOB, for short. Didn't your mother each you any manners?????
Catholic or not, people also do not need your advice on how to arrange their underwear drawers, how to make love to one's heterosexual spouse or which sort of steak sauce to use on Monday. You would really be amazed at how few of your notions and interventions are needed by Catholics to live their lives and conduct their own Church activities.
To summarize, I will post on Catholic threads because I belong on them. Normally, I will not post on church lady nanny-nagging threads because they do not rise to a level of deserving notice. After all, I am a Catholic and therefore religiously need nothing from the likes of you by way of advice. You will post there, if at all, because you just cannot resist being a rude and nosey buttinski with presumptions of religious competence with which to annoy the members of Jesus Christ's own Church and in spite of the fact that you have been told by the targets of your ignorance and bad manners to mind your own business. We are free to express contempt for your efforts because we sure as, ummmmm, heck aren't going to be impressed by Joe Freelance "Biblical" Buttinski in lieu of Benedict XVI or John Paul II or John Paul I, etc., all the way back to Peter the Apostle and through him to Jesus Christ. You have nothing, zero, zip, nada to stand on and are utterly irrelevant to any conversation as to the Roman Catholic Church, whatever you may please yourself to imagine.
Go buddy up to Jack Chick, and Lorraine Boettner and the rest of your ilk and soak your respective heads.
Hey, we Catholics have survived a lot worse annoyances than the likes of you and will continue to do so. In fact, the Founder guaranteed that we would and that He would be with us to the end. We are the standard and you are the Luther-come-lately deviations. When we need to hear from you, we will be sure to ask but, ummmmm, don't hold your breath waiting for that call.
The matter of celibacy is NOT "doctrine." It is a discipline, which is well-founded in the example of Christ, the High Priest.
Otherwise, your observations are correct--but I disagree that the Church will relax the discipline. There's no impelling reason to do so at this time.
alan dershowitz said that celibacy lowered the i.q. of the catholic gene pool because the more intelligent catholic men became priests in the centuries past.
One more time: If you require privacy, go to a private forum.
bookmarking for later
Pope: Priests Must Stay Celibate
Giving Thanks for the Good Shepherds ( A Defense of Priestly Celibacy)
Don't end celibacy for priests
The celibate superhero
Priestly Celibacy And Its Roots In Christ
How to Refute Arguments Against Priestly Celibacy
Priestly Celibacy Reflects Who - and Whose - We Are[Father George W.Rutler]
Celibacy
Tracing the Glorious Origins of Celibacy
God’s call to celibacy for the sake of His Kingdom - by Card. George
Vatican Says Celibacy Rule Nonnegotiable
Bishop Attacks Move to End Celibacy
A response to Fr. Joseph Wilson's defense of mandatory celibacy
The gift of Priestly celibacy as a sign of the charity of Christ, by Mother Teresa of Calcutta
Archbishop Dolan:"We Need to Be Renewing Our Pledge to Celibacy, Not Questioning It"
Celibacy is gift cherished by church
Celibacy Will Save the Priesthood
Celibacy Defended by EWTN's Fr. Levis
Call To Action: Dump Celibacy
The (Catholic) Church Has Always Prospered When Celibacy Is Honored
John Paul II Hails "Inestimable Value" of Priestly Celibacy
For Priests, Celibacy Is Not the Problem
Fr. Shannon Collins Discusses Celibacy
5 Arguments Against (Catholic) Priestly Celibacy and How to Refute Them
Why A Married Priesthood Won't Remedy the Priest Shortage
New Vatican Document on Homosexuality and the Priesthood Coming Before Fall 2005
Catholic priests demand the right to marry
Catholic priests urge Church to reconsider celibacy rules
Alternative Priests´ Council Hits Back on Mandatory Celibacy
Married Priests? The English Experience
Saying Yes to God: a Look into Vocations
New Vatican Document to Eliminate 1961 Papal Ban on Ordaining Homosexuals
Saying Yes to God: a Look into Vocations
Is it time to ordain married men to the Catholic priesthood?
40% of Scots priests want end to celibacy
A small, sturdy band of 'John Paul priests'(JPII legacy of conservative priests)
Yes, Gay Men Should Be Ordained
Cardinal says Priests will marry
The nun at my former parish, who is director of the RCIA, still recites this "idea" yearly to the incoming catechumens and candidates.
If you were familiar with this parish, it would not surprise you. Same 'ol, same 'ol being rehashed every year.
Yup.
Of course, this particular one marches to the beat of favoring women as priests and/or deacons, and is a huge Mahony fan. Touts herself as a liberal.
Mother Angelica she is not, LOL.
Okay day 4 arguing with a dishonest man/woman/whatever. Why do I say dishonest? For evidence I offer the following evidence. See your post #136.
To: WriteOn
Please show me the verses that show that a Christian Priest must be celebate(sp).
136 posted on 05/26/2005 3:00:36 PM EDT by biblewonk (Socialism isn't all bad.)
To which I posted the same day:
To: biblewonk
Re: "Please show me the verses that show that a Christian Priest must be celebate(sp)."
//sigh//
No one has said Scripture requires them be celibate but it is recommended and it is a matter of Church obedience. They signed on for it now many want to follow their own WILL not their oath to GOD. You do not see the distinction or is willfulness at issue here as well?
From the Gospel of Matthew 19:12
For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.
Care to venture a guess who said it? Go on take a guess.
163 posted on 05/26/2005 7:11:24 PM EDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
You sir are not interested in honest debate you are only interested in making accusations and false ones at that. For several days you have been given the chance to respond to my Catholic version of this passage with your Protestant explanation. You have yet to do se. For evidence I suggest our readers check out your posts to me #176, 177, 197, 207, 209, 217. Not one of these posts offers a protestant view to this passage but often exhibits an intent to change the subject as you have been able to do with all your other posts since the two reproduced above such as post #181, 188, 192, 195, 198, 199, 200, 202, 204, 206, 221, 223, and 226.
I am not like many others on this Thread, I have little problem dealing with a trouble maker who feel entitled it interfere in another Religion’s internal structure. However that requires a measure of mutually agreed rules. Such as if you ask for a Scriptural justification for something and it is provided you will give a coherent explanation why this is correct or why you differ and find fault with the passage. I see no point in changing the subject as you so cravenly desire because you will just do the same with the new topic and on and on it goes.
I think you should know this was expected by me in a private freepmail. On the 27th I said in reference to this passage “Did you notice he never addressed my passage in his reply to me? There is a reason for that.” You see, your cowardly approach was expected and has been the expected goal from my first post to you.
So you can go back to your shredding machine and your cut and paste Bible. You might as well after all you deny Christ so why shouldn’t you deny His words.
In the future, unless you really mean to be posting to yourself, consider putting the intended recipient's name in the "To:" field.
You do not answer questions poised to you because you can not without conceding defeat. Pride prevents you from admitting you are wrong.
"Pride"? Stand in front of a mirror and read your post aloud.
As for your previous post to me, my friend is more than able to speak for himself.
LOL. Your mind is obviously made up. If it's a p*ssing match you want, you'll have to look elsewhere.
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