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Does God So Love the World? (John MacArthur)
OnePlace.com ^ | July 21, 2005 | John MacArthur

Posted on 08/01/2005 8:16:45 PM PDT by buckeyesrule

Does God So Love the World?

by: John MacArthur

Love is the best known but least understood of all God's attributes. Almost everyone who believes in God these days sees Him as a God of love. I have even met agnostics who are quite certain that if God exists, He must be benevolent, compassionate, and loving.

All those things are infinitely true about God, of course, but not in the way most people think. Because of the influence of modern liberal theology, many suppose that God's love and goodness ultimately nullify His righteousness, justice, and holy wrath. They envision God as a benign heavenly grandfather-tolerant, affable, lenient, permissive, devoid of any real displeasure over sin, who without consideration of His holiness will benignly pass over sin and accept people as they are.

Liberal thinking about God's love also permeates much of evangelicalism today. We have lost the reality of God's wrath. We have disregarded His hatred for sin. The God most evangelicals now describe is all-loving and not at all angry. We have forgotten that "It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:31). We do not believe in that kind of God anymore.

We must recapture some of the holy terror that comes with a right understanding of God's righteous anger. We need to remember that God's wrath does burn against impenitent sinners (Psalm 38:1-3). That reality is the very thing that makes His love so amazing. Only those who see themselves as sinners in the hands of an angry God can fully appreciate the magnitude and wonder of His love.

In that regard, our generation is surely at a greater disadvantage than any previous age. We have been force-fed the doctrines of self-esteem for so long that most people don't really view themselves as sinners worthy of divine wrath. On top of that, religious liberalism, humanism, evangelical compromise, and ignorance of the Scriptures have all worked against a right understanding of who God is. Ironically, in an age that conceives of God as wholly loving, altogether devoid of wrath, few people really understand what God's love is all about.

How we address the misconception of the present age is crucial. We must not respond to an overemphasis on divine love by denying that God is love. Our generation's imbalanced view of God cannot be corrected by an equal imbalance in the opposite direction, a very real danger in some circles. I'm deeply concerned about a growing trend I've noticed-particularly among people committed to the biblical truth of God's sovereignty and divine election. Some of them flatly deny that God in any sense loves those whom He has not chosen for salvation.

I am troubled by the tendency of some-often young people newly infatuated with Reformed doctrine-who insist that God cannot possibly love those who never repent and believe. I encounter that view, it seems, with increasing frequency.

The argument inevitably goes like this: Psalm 7:11 tells us "God is angry with the wicked every day." It seems reasonable to assume that if God loved everyone, He would have chosen everyone unto salvation. Therefore, God does not love the non-elect. Those who hold this view often go to great lengths to argue that John 3:16 cannot really mean God loves the whole world.

Perhaps the best-known argument for this view is found the unabridged edition of an otherwise excellent book, The Sovereignty of God, by A. W. Pink. Pink wrote, "God loves whom He chooses. He does not love everybody." [1] He further argued that the word world in John 3:16 ("For God so loved the world…") "refers to the world of believers (God's elect), in contradistinction from 'the world of the ungodly.'"[2]

Pink was attempting to make the crucial point that God is sovereign in the exercise of His love. The gist of his argument is certainly valid: It is folly to think that God loves all alike, or that He is compelled by some rule of fairness to love everyone equally. Scripture teaches us that God loves because He chooses to love (Deuteronomy 7:6-7), because He is loving (God is love, 1 John 4:8), not because He is under some obligation to love everyone the same.

Nothing but God's own sovereign good pleasure compels Him to love sinners. Nothing but His own sovereign will governs His love. That has to be true, since there is certainly nothing in any sinner worthy of even the smallest degree of divine love.

Unfortunately, Pink took the corollary too far. The fact that some sinners are not elected to salvation is no proof that God's attitude toward them is utterly devoid of sincere love. We know from Scripture that God is compassionate, kind, generous, and good even to the most stubborn sinners. Who can deny that those mercies flow out of God's boundless love? It is evident that they are showered even on unrepentant sinners.

We must understand that it is God's very nature to love. The reason our Lord commanded us to love our enemies is "in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matthew 5:45). Jesus clearly characterized His Father as One who loves even those who purposefully set themselves at enmity against Him.

At this point, however, an important distinction must be made: God loves believers with a particular love. God's love for the elect is an infinite, eternal, saving love. We know from Scripture that this great love was the very cause of our election (Ephesians 2:4). Such love clearly is not directed toward all of mankind indiscriminately, but is bestowed uniquely and individually on those whom God chose in eternity past.

But from that, it does not follow that God's attitude toward those He did not elect must be unmitigated hatred. Surely His pleading with the lost, His offers of mercy to the reprobate, and the call of the gospel to all who hear are all sincere expressions of the heart of a loving God. Remember, He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but tenderly calls sinners to turn from their evil ways and live.

Reformed theology has historically been the branch of evangelicalism most strongly committed to the sovereignty of God. At the same time, the mainstream of Reformed theologians have always affirmed the love of God for all sinners. John Calvin himself wrote regarding John 3:16, "[Two] points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish." [3]

Calvin continues to explain the biblical balance that both the gospel invitation and "the world" that God loves are by no means limited to the elect alone. He also recognized that God's electing, saving love is uniquely bestowed on His chosen ones.

Those same truths, reflecting a biblical balance, have been vigorously defended by a host of Reformed stalwarts, including Thomas Boston, John Brown, Andrew Fuller, W. G. T. Shedd, R. L. Dabney, B. B. Warfield, John Murray, R. B. Kuiper, and many others. In no sense does belief in divine sovereignty rule out the love of God for all humanity.

We are seeing today, in some circles, an almost unprecedented interest in the doctrines of the Reformation and the Puritan eras. I'm very encouraged by that in most respects. A return to those historic truths is, I'm convinced, absolutely necessary if the church is to survive. Yet there is a danger when overzealous souls misuse a doctrine like divine sovereignty to deny God's sincere offer of mercy to all sinners.

We must maintain a carefully balanced perspective as we pursue our study of God's love. God's love cannot be isolated from His wrath and vice versa. Nor are His love and wrath in opposition to each other like some mystical yin-yang principle. Both attributes are constant, perfect, without ebb or flow. His wrath coexists with His love; therefore, the two never contradict. Such are the perfections of God that we can never begin to comprehend these things. Above all, we must not set them against one another, as if there were somehow a discrepancy in God.

Both God's wrath and His love work to the same ultimate end-His glory. God is glorified in the condemnation of the wicked; He is glorified in every expression of love for all people without exception; and He is glorified in the particular love He manifests in saving His people.

Expressions of wrath and expressions of love-all are necessary to display God's full glory. We must never ignore any aspect of His character, nor magnify one to the exclusion of another. When we commit those errors, we throw off the biblical balance, distort the true nature of God, and diminish His real glory.

Does God so love the world? Emphatically-yes! Proclaim that truth far and wide, and do so against the backdrop of God's perfect wrath that awaits everyone who does not repent and turn to Christ.

Does the love of God differ in the breadth and depth and manner of its expression? Yes it does. Praise Him for the many manifestations of His love, especially toward the non-elect, and rejoice in the particular manifestation of His saving love for you who believe. God has chosen to display in you the glory of His redeeming grace.

[1]Arthur W. Pink, The Sovereignty of God (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1930), 29-30.

[2]Ibid., 314.

[3]John Calvin, Commentary on a Harmony of the Evangelists, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, William Pringle, trans. (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1979 reprint), 123.

Adapted from The God Who Loves © 2001 by John MacArthur. All rights reserved.

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To: blue-duncan

OK, thanks.


141 posted on 08/02/2005 11:03:23 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

And He was right. I can remember my mother saying to me, "Wait 'till your father gets home", and she still loved me, I think.


142 posted on 08/02/2005 11:03:33 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Corin Stormhands

Oh, yeah, it was about 45 this morning. It could snow any day from here on and we could have permanent snow in a month here in the frozen north. :)


143 posted on 08/02/2005 11:05:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: blue-duncan
b-d,
Please read #103 where I posted the reason for loving enemies.
144 posted on 08/02/2005 11:08:34 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: RightWhale

That's just wrong on so many levels.


145 posted on 08/02/2005 11:13:50 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg

Has God structured things such that the actions of man cause God to act differently then He would if those actions had not occured.

Example:

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."



God (in Christ) wants to gather Jerusalem to Himself - but they would not - therefore He does not.


146 posted on 08/02/2005 11:14:20 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Corin Stormhands

Yes, it is. I don't know why so many people live here. :)


147 posted on 08/02/2005 11:16:31 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: RightWhale

There are days I think Virginia is too far north. And I was born here.


148 posted on 08/02/2005 11:19:38 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: RightWhale
***Perhaps it is a total accident. I wouldn't put odds on it happening by chance.***

Have you seen "The Privileged Planet"?
149 posted on 08/02/2005 11:21:45 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Frumanchu; suzyjaruki; ksen; RnMomof7; PetroniusMaximus; HarleyD; nobdysfool; Gamecock; ...
Fru, this entire discussion is taking place not because of what MacArthur said about the elect or the reprobate or God's grace. Four-pointers and five-pointers can agree to disagree.

The problem with MacArthur's words here is centered on the unnecessary and incorrect slam he levels against his Reformed brothers and sisters in Christ.

Just like the "hyper" straw man, I know of NO CALVINIST who believes like the opposition says we believe. To say so, however, just makes it easier for them to criticize the Reformed faith.

As MacArthur writes...

"Pink was attempting to make the crucial point that God is sovereign in the exercise of His love. The gist of his argument is certainly valid: It is folly to think that God loves all alike, or that He is compelled by some rule of fairness to love everyone equally. Scripture teaches us that God loves because He chooses to love (Deuteronomy 7:6-7), because He is loving (God is love, 1 John 4:8), not because He is under some obligation to love everyone the same."

All Calvinists believe the sun shines on the saved and the reprobate. And all Calvinists believe that God's "love" ends there for the reprobate, and God's "love" extends to the elect as eternal bliss with Him in heaven.

No small difference.

MacArthur errs in his next step by denouncing Pink as "going too far" when Pink and MacArthur both agree that God saves according to His decree and not the will or whim of men. MacArthur simply wants it both ways.

"Unfortunately, Pink took the corollary too far. The fact that some sinners are not elected to salvation is no proof that God's attitude toward them is utterly devoid of sincere love."

"Sincere?"

"The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born." -- Matthew 26:24

MacArthur is courting the TV audience now. Too bad.

150 posted on 08/02/2005 11:23:20 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: connectthedots; Gamecock
How does one simply dismiss free will in light of this most unambiguous verse?

The verse is unambiguous in saying that Joshua made a decision. However, it is silent on how or why he made that decision. The verse is silent on whether or not God had to regenerate Joshua before he was able to make that decision. All it says is that a decision was made.

151 posted on 08/02/2005 11:23:57 AM PDT by ksen ("He that knows nothing will believe anything." - Thomas Fuller)
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To: suzyjaruki
I saw that, but I can't find anywhere in the scriptures where God says that, except when He is speaking about Israel. In Eph. 5:25 Paul uses the same word for the love that Christ has for the church that Christ says we are to express to our neighbors and enemies, an unselfish, giving love. When we begin to parse the sentence or word to express a sentiment an emotion or a relationship, then we devalue the command to love and instead of being sacrificial it becomes convenient or worse, comfortable.
152 posted on 08/02/2005 11:24:41 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Corin Stormhands
I'm comfortable with the realization that it is indeed a mystery that we will not ~solve~ here on FreeRepublic any more than it has been ~solved~ in centuries of debate.

Oh.....

Hmmm...well.....

Got any cards? I'm ready to learn some Texas Hold'em. ;^)

153 posted on 08/02/2005 11:28:09 AM PDT by ksen ("He that knows nothing will believe anything." - Thomas Fuller)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The problem with MacArthur's words here is centered on the unnecessary and incorrect slam he levels against his Reformed brothers and sisters in Christ.

I do not think his doctrinal position is so far outside what most of us accept as truth , (recognizing a general love that God has for all his creatures)

The issue is closer to your words here.

That was an Ad Hominem attack that was completely unnecessary unless it WAS his primary point.

Maybe he has a book coming out "The Purpose Driven Salvation"

154 posted on 08/02/2005 11:29:23 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: ksen
The verse is unambiguous in saying that Joshua made a decision. However, it is silent on how or why he made that decision. The verse is silent on whether or not God had to regenerate Joshua before he was able to make that decision. All it says is that a decision was made.

It doesn't say that Joshua was without out a free will to make the decision either; does it?

155 posted on 08/02/2005 11:29:29 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: ksen; xzins
Got any cards?

A Wesleyan with cards?

Certainly not!

156 posted on 08/02/2005 11:31:10 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg

***Maybe he has a book coming out "The Purpose Driven Salvation"***

How about the "Unchosen Harry and Mary"?


157 posted on 08/02/2005 11:34:02 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: connectthedots
It doesn't say that Joshua was without out a free will to make the decision either; does it?

It doesn't say anything about the condition of Joshua's will, whether it was free or in bondage. It just says he made a decision.

158 posted on 08/02/2005 11:35:50 AM PDT by ksen ("He that knows nothing will believe anything." - Thomas Fuller)
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To: PetroniusMaximus; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg

How about, "In God's Election, there are No Hanging Chads."

;^)


159 posted on 08/02/2005 11:37:03 AM PDT by ksen ("He that knows nothing will believe anything." - Thomas Fuller)
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To: connectthedots
That is the paradox of the Christian faith, ctd. Six million Jews were slaughtered. Eight hundred thousand Tutsis was macheted to death. Three thousand people were murdered on 9/11. Children get sick and die.

At any point in time God could have changed the course of every atom in existence.

But life unfolds exactly as God wills. All things work for His glory. That is the great consolation. Don't miss it.

Trust Him and work for good in His name.

160 posted on 08/02/2005 11:37:14 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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