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Does God So Love the World? (John MacArthur)
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Posted on 08/01/2005 8:16:45 PM PDT by buckeyesrule

Does God So Love the World?

by: John MacArthur

Love is the best known but least understood of all God's attributes. Almost everyone who believes in God these days sees Him as a God of love. I have even met agnostics who are quite certain that if God exists, He must be benevolent, compassionate, and loving.

All those things are infinitely true about God, of course, but not in the way most people think. Because of the influence of modern liberal theology, many suppose that God's love and goodness ultimately nullify His righteousness, justice, and holy wrath. They envision God as a benign heavenly grandfather-tolerant, affable, lenient, permissive, devoid of any real displeasure over sin, who without consideration of His holiness will benignly pass over sin and accept people as they are.

Liberal thinking about God's love also permeates much of evangelicalism today. We have lost the reality of God's wrath. We have disregarded His hatred for sin. The God most evangelicals now describe is all-loving and not at all angry. We have forgotten that "It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:31). We do not believe in that kind of God anymore.

We must recapture some of the holy terror that comes with a right understanding of God's righteous anger. We need to remember that God's wrath does burn against impenitent sinners (Psalm 38:1-3). That reality is the very thing that makes His love so amazing. Only those who see themselves as sinners in the hands of an angry God can fully appreciate the magnitude and wonder of His love.

In that regard, our generation is surely at a greater disadvantage than any previous age. We have been force-fed the doctrines of self-esteem for so long that most people don't really view themselves as sinners worthy of divine wrath. On top of that, religious liberalism, humanism, evangelical compromise, and ignorance of the Scriptures have all worked against a right understanding of who God is. Ironically, in an age that conceives of God as wholly loving, altogether devoid of wrath, few people really understand what God's love is all about.

How we address the misconception of the present age is crucial. We must not respond to an overemphasis on divine love by denying that God is love. Our generation's imbalanced view of God cannot be corrected by an equal imbalance in the opposite direction, a very real danger in some circles. I'm deeply concerned about a growing trend I've noticed-particularly among people committed to the biblical truth of God's sovereignty and divine election. Some of them flatly deny that God in any sense loves those whom He has not chosen for salvation.

I am troubled by the tendency of some-often young people newly infatuated with Reformed doctrine-who insist that God cannot possibly love those who never repent and believe. I encounter that view, it seems, with increasing frequency.

The argument inevitably goes like this: Psalm 7:11 tells us "God is angry with the wicked every day." It seems reasonable to assume that if God loved everyone, He would have chosen everyone unto salvation. Therefore, God does not love the non-elect. Those who hold this view often go to great lengths to argue that John 3:16 cannot really mean God loves the whole world.

Perhaps the best-known argument for this view is found the unabridged edition of an otherwise excellent book, The Sovereignty of God, by A. W. Pink. Pink wrote, "God loves whom He chooses. He does not love everybody." [1] He further argued that the word world in John 3:16 ("For God so loved the world…") "refers to the world of believers (God's elect), in contradistinction from 'the world of the ungodly.'"[2]

Pink was attempting to make the crucial point that God is sovereign in the exercise of His love. The gist of his argument is certainly valid: It is folly to think that God loves all alike, or that He is compelled by some rule of fairness to love everyone equally. Scripture teaches us that God loves because He chooses to love (Deuteronomy 7:6-7), because He is loving (God is love, 1 John 4:8), not because He is under some obligation to love everyone the same.

Nothing but God's own sovereign good pleasure compels Him to love sinners. Nothing but His own sovereign will governs His love. That has to be true, since there is certainly nothing in any sinner worthy of even the smallest degree of divine love.

Unfortunately, Pink took the corollary too far. The fact that some sinners are not elected to salvation is no proof that God's attitude toward them is utterly devoid of sincere love. We know from Scripture that God is compassionate, kind, generous, and good even to the most stubborn sinners. Who can deny that those mercies flow out of God's boundless love? It is evident that they are showered even on unrepentant sinners.

We must understand that it is God's very nature to love. The reason our Lord commanded us to love our enemies is "in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matthew 5:45). Jesus clearly characterized His Father as One who loves even those who purposefully set themselves at enmity against Him.

At this point, however, an important distinction must be made: God loves believers with a particular love. God's love for the elect is an infinite, eternal, saving love. We know from Scripture that this great love was the very cause of our election (Ephesians 2:4). Such love clearly is not directed toward all of mankind indiscriminately, but is bestowed uniquely and individually on those whom God chose in eternity past.

But from that, it does not follow that God's attitude toward those He did not elect must be unmitigated hatred. Surely His pleading with the lost, His offers of mercy to the reprobate, and the call of the gospel to all who hear are all sincere expressions of the heart of a loving God. Remember, He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but tenderly calls sinners to turn from their evil ways and live.

Reformed theology has historically been the branch of evangelicalism most strongly committed to the sovereignty of God. At the same time, the mainstream of Reformed theologians have always affirmed the love of God for all sinners. John Calvin himself wrote regarding John 3:16, "[Two] points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish." [3]

Calvin continues to explain the biblical balance that both the gospel invitation and "the world" that God loves are by no means limited to the elect alone. He also recognized that God's electing, saving love is uniquely bestowed on His chosen ones.

Those same truths, reflecting a biblical balance, have been vigorously defended by a host of Reformed stalwarts, including Thomas Boston, John Brown, Andrew Fuller, W. G. T. Shedd, R. L. Dabney, B. B. Warfield, John Murray, R. B. Kuiper, and many others. In no sense does belief in divine sovereignty rule out the love of God for all humanity.

We are seeing today, in some circles, an almost unprecedented interest in the doctrines of the Reformation and the Puritan eras. I'm very encouraged by that in most respects. A return to those historic truths is, I'm convinced, absolutely necessary if the church is to survive. Yet there is a danger when overzealous souls misuse a doctrine like divine sovereignty to deny God's sincere offer of mercy to all sinners.

We must maintain a carefully balanced perspective as we pursue our study of God's love. God's love cannot be isolated from His wrath and vice versa. Nor are His love and wrath in opposition to each other like some mystical yin-yang principle. Both attributes are constant, perfect, without ebb or flow. His wrath coexists with His love; therefore, the two never contradict. Such are the perfections of God that we can never begin to comprehend these things. Above all, we must not set them against one another, as if there were somehow a discrepancy in God.

Both God's wrath and His love work to the same ultimate end-His glory. God is glorified in the condemnation of the wicked; He is glorified in every expression of love for all people without exception; and He is glorified in the particular love He manifests in saving His people.

Expressions of wrath and expressions of love-all are necessary to display God's full glory. We must never ignore any aspect of His character, nor magnify one to the exclusion of another. When we commit those errors, we throw off the biblical balance, distort the true nature of God, and diminish His real glory.

Does God so love the world? Emphatically-yes! Proclaim that truth far and wide, and do so against the backdrop of God's perfect wrath that awaits everyone who does not repent and turn to Christ.

Does the love of God differ in the breadth and depth and manner of its expression? Yes it does. Praise Him for the many manifestations of His love, especially toward the non-elect, and rejoice in the particular manifestation of His saving love for you who believe. God has chosen to display in you the glory of His redeeming grace.

[1]Arthur W. Pink, The Sovereignty of God (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1930), 29-30.

[2]Ibid., 314.

[3]John Calvin, Commentary on a Harmony of the Evangelists, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, William Pringle, trans. (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1979 reprint), 123.

Adapted from The God Who Loves © 2001 by John MacArthur. All rights reserved.

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To: jude24; xzins
That was well stated.

Except you need to learn how to spell definite.

281 posted on 08/02/2005 5:05:35 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: PetroniusMaximus
God's love extends to the whole world. It covers all humanity.
Common grace demonstrates it, as do His compassion, His admonitions to the lost, and the free offer of the gospel to all.
This is what John Mac Arthur has said.

The Mark 10 verse you sighted JM has said is a demonstration of the compassion aspect of universal love.

282 posted on 08/02/2005 5:08:33 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
But, mysteriously, He sovereignly allows those things, because though it He will receive a greater glory than could be possible were He to not allow it.

That is a presumptuous statement not based on scripture. At least you acknowledge that God 'allows things' to happen.

What the Bible really means is that despite all our sins and screw-ups, God can still use us through those experiences to further his glory, even if it wasn't what he most desired for us. I've seen that in my own life.

283 posted on 08/02/2005 5:11:45 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Frumanchu

see #271


284 posted on 08/02/2005 5:14:13 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: buckeyesrule; Dr. Eckleburg; Frumanchu; xzins; Corin Stormhands; blue-duncan
From Amazon.com:

2 of 9 people found the following review helpful:

If this is how God loves...., December 8, 2003

Reviewer: Seth Aaron Lowry (Olean, NY United States) - See all my reviews
then God is not omni benevolent. This book is nothing more than MacArthur's attempt to have his cake and eat it too. On the one hand he wants to uphold the traditional Reformed idea that God has an elected people that He loves with a special and unconditional love. Yet, on the other hand MacArthur wants to believe that God loves the non-elect as well. MacArthur argues for this by saying that God possesses two types of love: a general and non-saving love, which he gives to all, and a special and saving love He displays only towards the elect. In my opinion there seems to be a disturbing trend taking place in Reformed apologetics these days. Since they can't conform all of Scripture to their teachings, they invent new ideas and doctrines to attempt to compensate for those deficiencies and weaknesses. First, many have begun to argue for the concept that God has two wills, and that God's desire to save all men only pertains to God's first will, which is really not salvific at all. This has been in direct response to criticisms that have demonstrated that the usual Calvinist approach of saying all men means all types of men is not satisfactory and does not make sense of all the Scriptures.

Now MacArthur has added another element to the argument by saying that God has two types of love. Does anyone else see the pattern here? First God has two wills and now he commands two types of love as well. I can understand MacArthur's reasoning for writing this book since he desires to stem the tide of young and zealous Reformed initiates who argue that God does not love the reprobate, but in fact hates them. They argue for this from Scripture passages such as Romans 9:13, which they believe validates the idea that God hates the non-elect. Yet, instead of accepting the obvious MacArthur has chosen to develop his own unique and unhistorical idea. When the Scripture speaks of God's love for all mankind it always uses the Greek word agape and never gives any hint of a differentiation. In the gospel of Mark, Jesus loved the rich young ruler even though he didn't accept Christ's message. Are we honestly supposed to believe that the agape spoken of there is some ulterior form of love? I and many others do not believe that to be the case. Moreover, Jesus commands us to love our enemies and do well to those who hate and despise us. Is God calling us to do something that He Himself will not do? Again, I seriously doubt this is the case

Finally, I found many of MacArthur's arguments to be unconvincing. He says that he is willing to accept God's love for the non-elect as a love that is calling them to repentance, giving them sufficient grace, and showering them with earthly blessings, but his argument breaks down when one examines his beliefs. Since MarArthur holds to the traditional Reformed idea of Total Depravity, he believes men are corpses are sin, completely unresponsive, oblivious to the things of God, and unable to do a thing. Now, I wouldn't walk up to a corpse tell him I love him and plead with him to repent because that is just ludicrous. Therefore, I doubt the all-wise omnipotent ruler of the universe would do the same to men that are dead in sin since He is infinitely smarter than humans and knows this will accomplish nothing. MacArthur's view of total depravity completely undercuts his arguments for God's love. If you are really serious about studying and understanding God's love for all of us, then read the Bible and only pick up this book after previous study.

285 posted on 08/02/2005 5:19:19 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: jude24
Jude.. I will take you back to the beginning

What is the "world" God so loved that he gave His life for it " (true agape love )

kosmos {kos'-mos}

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars,
'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3 3) the world, the universe
4) the circle of the earth, the earth
5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc) b) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor.5:19

When the jews spoke of the "world" they were usually speaking of The gentile nations around them. So the words that the Messiah was for "the world" was truly shocking to them. this was after all the JEWISH messiah they were looking for.

So the question is NOT the meaning of the love of Christ for the elect, that surely is agape love, it is for whom did Christ hold that love? . If Christ holds agape love for those he will condemn for an eternity of fire one might really be concerned what kind of love that is.

If Christ had agape love for all men and died for all men then God is a liar and he is demanding a double payment for what was purchased at the cross.

You make the cross of questionable effect

286 posted on 08/02/2005 5:19:33 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: connectthedots

*** That is a presumptuous statement not based on scripture***

I freely grant that - that's one reason I didn't supply chapter and verse! :)

It was a theological statement, a summation of what I believe to be true about God based on my study of the Scriptures. In that sense it is similar to the statement you make when you say...

"What the Bible really means is that despite all our sins and screw-ups, God can still use us through those experiences to further his glory,".

(But I wouldn't go so far as to call your statement "presumptuous".)


287 posted on 08/02/2005 5:20:22 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Frumanchu; xzins
Yes, but in Arminianism it is only those which are foreseen to respond in faith who are elected. The distinguishing factor rests with the individuals, thereby making Him a respector of persons.

Fru, that doesn't even make sense. Say two men are caught in a crime. One confesses to it up front, expresses remorse, and begs the court's mercy. The other lies repeatedly (and is caught), expresses no remorse, and defies the judge. Would you call the judge a respector of persons if he let the first off with community service and throws the second man in jail for the full term allowed by the law? Or would you say that the judge was both just and merciful in using his authority to go easy on the penitant man and slap down the defiant one.

A "respector of persons" is someone who bases his opinion of someone on their social status or some other accident of their birth rather than on that person's behavioral choices. For God to single some out based on "His good pleasure" for salvation and some for damnation would be the very essence of respecting persons unless He is simply being capricious--which would not describe the God of the Bible! But on the other hand, for God to choose in His sovereignty to give us a valid choice and then make His election based on His foreknowledge of us (which is exactly how Rom. 8:31 and 1 Pt. 1:2 say He goes about it) is not.

288 posted on 08/02/2005 5:23:25 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: Buggman

see #271


289 posted on 08/02/2005 5:28:00 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: suzyjaruki

***The Mark 10 verse you sighted JM has said is a demonstration of the compassion aspect of universal love.***

Yes, but the inclusion of that word in the context of Mark 10 has special significance. Jesus is specifically recorded as "loving" 5 people, Martha, Mary, Lazarus, the "Disciple" and this young man. And though we know he certainly loved many more, this just serves to highlight the uniqueness of the use of this word in this context.

I believe to equate it with some expression of "universal love" is to miss the significance of it's inclusion in Mark 10.


290 posted on 08/02/2005 5:30:11 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: jude24

"It is still offered to every man, woman, and child. It requires linguistic gymnastics to make the Bible say anything other than the fact that God loves the whole world..."

Friend, it is you who has limited the word and did a somersault with Kosmos. Why do you limit it strictly to the human species? What about puppies and kitties and flowers? Aren't they part of the Kosmos? The verse clearly states that God so loved all that he created (Kosmos) that he gave his only begotten Son. Now what?


291 posted on 08/02/2005 5:30:17 PM PDT by Jonathon Edwards
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To: P-Marlowe; buckeyesrule; Dr. Eckleburg; Frumanchu; Buggman; Corin Stormhands; blue-duncan
MacArthur argues for this by saying that God possesses two types of love: a general and non-saving love, which he gives to all, and a special and saving love He displays only towards the elect

God's absolute foreknowledge demands that some kind of distinction, as argued above, must be at play.

Even if it is "a tough, yet grief-filled love" for those who will be lost -- because He knows of the eventual lostness -- then, in my opinion, MacArthur is on to something here and is trying to be honest.

292 posted on 08/02/2005 5:34:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Jonathon Edwards; jude24

***Why do you limit it strictly to the human species? What about puppies and kitties and flowers? Aren't they part of the Kosmos? The verse clearly states that God so loved all that he created (Kosmos) that he gave his only begotten Son. Now what?***

Friend, does not this Bible clearly indicate that all of creation (excluding those who reject Christ) will eventually restored by virtue of Jesus sacrifice?


293 posted on 08/02/2005 5:34:53 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Okay, what would you tell John MacArthur about the significance of that word in Mark 10?

Do you believe that God loves "the world" in the same way as the five people you have mentioned? How the same or how different?

294 posted on 08/02/2005 5:36:34 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: buckeyesrule

Thanks for posting this article. The article itself is interesting reading and the discussion is thought provoking. I hope you are enjoying the thread as much as I am.


296 posted on 08/02/2005 5:38:36 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD

When I do what I'm supposed to do I think He is quite surprised. In fact Heb. 2:11-12 says He is so surprised He whips put His wallet with my picture and tells everyone around Him I am His brother and He's proud of me. How about that?


297 posted on 08/02/2005 5:44:59 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: suzyjaruki

Actually I posted this just before I went to bed and I just got home from work. I can't remember a John MacArthur writing receiving almost 300 posts. WOW!!!


298 posted on 08/02/2005 5:45:44 PM PDT by buckeyesrule (God bless Condi Rice!)
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To: buckeyesrule

It was predestined.


299 posted on 08/02/2005 5:46:39 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: PetroniusMaximus

To be precise, I would say "renewed" is the better terminology, (in lieu of restored), as a part of the eternal covenant between the Father and the Son. The Father had such a great love for all that was created that he gave his only Son to become a part of that which was created so that creation would be renewed.

Thank you, Friend, for allowing me to meditate on the wonders of the Godhead.


300 posted on 08/02/2005 5:58:35 PM PDT by Jonathon Edwards
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