Prophecy today, Isaiah 14 is happening before us. (long vanity)

Eye witness news ^ | Aug 13, 2005 | American in Israel

[American in Israel]

...and stop demeaning, belittling and debasing my Bible.

I said nothing about the New Testament in my statement, only about the Political disaster of Bush. Now I can only conclude that you have your political party somehow mixed up with your worship.

I suggest to you, read your New Testament. A good starting place for one to learn their faith. But keep in mind, as my favorite Pastor used to say, "that there is one page in every Bible that is not inspired. The one titled 'The New Testament'". Tear it out and you have a complete Bible.

"The New Testament" did not replace "The Old Testament", it completed it. Something, that if you studied just a little you would discover.

[ladyinred]

I very much enjoyed your post, and will feel no remorse if these terrorists are destroyed. I do believe it will be by the hand of God himself. I do not however, agree that we can blame President Bush. He was not the author of the so called treaties that Israel agreed to with Arafat, that impostor that Bill Clinton had to the White House more than ANY other world leader. I am growing weary of him being blamed for every ill in the universe. Other than that, fantastic post that really intrigued me.

[American in Israel]

He was not the author of the Road Map. Saudi Arabia was. He is just the one that enforced it. Don't get me wrong, I like Bush, I just do not like what he is doing.

Imagine the disaster if the other guy got in office! That was pure insanity.

I would not be near so tough on Bush if he had not claimed to be a Christian. A Christian walks to a much higher standard. Bush should know his Bible better, It would have saved us from this disaster. One day he will repent on his knees for the damage he did in arrogance, and I will cry with him, not for him. For I fully expect to see Bush in Heaven as a friend.

[tryon1ja]

I would not be near so tough on Bush if he had not claimed to be a Christian. A Christian walks to a much higher standard.

Yes! We are all as Christians held to a higher standard. However, we all have our own individual covenant with Christ. What I am convicted of may not be what you are convicted of. God puts on us what we can handle. Maybe I can handle different things than you can handle and vice versa. God also has a mission for each of us. A calling. This calling may not be one we agree with or most others may not agree with but it is a mission chosen by God for us. It is for this reason we should not judge others like yourselves. Bush may be doing exactly what God has for him to do. I like to believe that is true.

[agrace]

Interesting post, ping.

[lupie]

Thanks for the ping. I will take time later to read through it. Renind me about it tomorrow. ;)

[Marysecretary]

There are prophecies coming about destruction in America and I believe it's in exact proportion to what we're doing to Israel.

[tryon1ja]

I do not usually get into discussions on religion. God knows that he has given far greater wisdom and knowledge to others than he has to me. But, I think your wisdom here is all wet when it comes to all Philistia being long gone when King Ahaz died in 715 BC. The Philistines did not disappear until about the time of the Maccabees, 2nd. century BC. Although they occupied the southwestern plains of Palestine and David did subdue them (2 Sm 5, 17-25), they became practically independent under the separated kingdom and may have been the Philistia referenced in Isaiah 14:28

Both the Assyrians and the Philistines were probably of Semitic origin, descendants of Asshur, one of the sons of Shem (Gn 10:22). Assyria was not destroyed until about 605 BC.
Isaiah 14:29 speaks of a rod which is believed to be an Assyrian oppressor whose identity is uncertain.

I think that Isaiah speaks of these people just as it says.

[mississippi red-neck]

You are correct in that Isaiah 14 deals with the judgment of Israel's neighbors and distant blood kinsmen [sons of Abraham].

The book of Isaiah chapters 13:1-23:18, Jeremiah 46:1-51:64,and Ezekiel 25:1-32:32 all deal with the same group of nations.

There are two groups of nations that God judges for their treatment of Israel throughout history and to the present.

One is the nations of her kinsmen, nations local to the middle east.The other are the gentile nations of the world.

He judges both but at different times. With her kinsmen He judges them in Ezekiel 38&39 in the so called War of Gog and Magog and which involves local players in a relative local area of the globe.

The rest of the nations of the world are dealt with in the battle of Armageddon which has disastrous effects on the whole planet and in which all of the nations world is involved.

In it you have a western confederation of nations led by the Antichrist and the Kings Of the East coming against Israel which is an entirely different set of adversaries from those in Ezekiel.

You will notice in The book of Revelation that speaks of this battle there is no mention of the players in the War of Gog and Magog who have already been dealt with in Ezekiel at an earlier time.

You are right that the U.S. is not a very good friend of Israel. What is surprising to most people if you really study the history you'll find out as a nation we never have been.

We have basically only given lip service as far as the government is concerned.

. We have never come to their aid in any of the four major attacks they have suffered even though each time it looked like they faced certain annihilation. Each time it was the miraculous intervention of God who saved them.

We didn't even vote for them to become a nation in 1948 and we have certainly given their enemies as much money in aid as we have ever given them and for a bonus we gave them Yassar Arafat and the PLO.

Our next generous offer on the immediate horizon is a full blown terrorist state right in the middle of their homeland .

Throughout the Bible God has repeatedly warned Israel about placing their faith in foreign alliances instead of Him. Every time they have they have paid a heavy price for doing so including the one with us.

The reason you don't see much in prophecy about the U.S.is because we fast becoming just becoming part of the crowd of the Commercial and Religious Babylons we find in the Bible.

As Diane Alden would say We're no longer a Constitutional Republic but a Commercial Republic.

[hlmencken3]

...the Philistines were probably of Semitic origin...

That contradicts everything I've heard. Conventional wisdom is that they were a non-Semitic people from Crete or elsewhere in the Mediterranean.

Do you have a source? (I'm just curious; I don't really have an opinion).

[tryon1ja]

...the Philistines were probably of Semitic origin.

MY error. The Philistines were of a non-semitic orgin. My apology.

[American in Israel]

Thanks for your post, I printed it out for this weekends Shabbat study, that is when I have free time.

Blessings!

[American in Israel]

The area of Gaza, which is the subject of this prophecy as to its destruction was annexed by Kind David. That is over 200 years before Isaiah was born.

I am not as learned as many, but I am not trying to be learned, I am trying to be practical. That is the whole point of this way of looking at prophecy.

The Jews were so learned that they knew everything about the Messiah before He came. They were so learned, that they did not recognize the time when it came because it did not fit their learning.

Let us not do the same here.

[MSCASEY]

He was not the author of the Road Map. Saudi Arabia was. He is just the one that enforced it.

That gives me chills. You are aware that when the final peace treaty is broken the Antichrist does not necessarily broker the covenant, he confirms or enforces it. Ms. Casey's Daughter

[mississippi red-neck]

I enjoy your posts and you're most welcome. God Bless.

[Salem]

Some commentary on the future from our own American in Israel.

I've been following pretty close the situation in Gush Katif. The next 48 hours is going to be critical.

I also believe, as I have said before, the grievous wound which is even now being inflicted on the House of Israel, because Sharon has bowed to the demands and pressures of a G-d hating world instead of bowing to the Holy One of Israel, is going to put Jewish blood in the waters of the Middle East, inciting the killer sharks of demonic Islam into a frenzy.

It will be the IDF once again called to deal with this mess. May they model the courage and audacity—as they always have—of Joab and Abishai...

"...Be of good courage, and let us behave ourselves valiantly for our people, and for the cities of our God: and let the LORD do that which is good in his sight." [1Ch 19:13]

..and prevail mightily in the months ahead.

President Bush, for good or for evil, is in G-d's Hands. My Pastor was one of many who met with then NSA Condoleeza Rice and challenged the Administration in behalf of Israel. So none can say they weren't advised.

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[Salem]

You might be interested in this one. The author dropped me a note through my site. An extensive read with a lot of Church history from the early centuries and up to today.

I am planning on writing an extensive review and dropping numerous copies in the mail to my church's Senior Staff and their affiliates.

I am calling it the definitive work of our times, for too many reasons to list here. That being so, it is a manuscript you might find profitable. Most that has been written on Islam in the last four years has been secular in worldview and dealing with the nuts and bolts of Islam.

This author worked within the Islamic world, and as a Christian, deals with it as a threat in great, great detail from a Biblical and spiritual perspective.

[Salem]

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[mississippi red-neck]

Do you have a source? (I'm just curious; I don't really have an opinion).

This is some of what the Bible has to say. As far as whether or not they are Semitic, there seems to be two different views.

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia presents the case that they are and Aston's Bible Dictionary presents the case they are not.

It is too much to post here especially the ISBE reference.

Hope this helps.

Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

Gen 10:13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,

Gen 10:14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.

1Ch 1:11 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,

1Ch 1:12 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim.

[mississippi red-neck]

Aston's = Easton's Bible Dictionary.