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To: diverteach
Let me throw this scenario your way to think about. Do you think it may be possible that Bush knows that once the palestinians have thier complete foothold on Gaza, with the Jews GONE, that it could be more easily targeted without fear of collateral damages...

So you want me to think that Bush, by destroying Israel so he can target the Arabs better without killing a Jew, is being dumb like a fox?

That is a bit of a stretch don't you think? The Bible says that in the last days there will be a test for the nations, that Jerusalem will become a stumbling block. Those nations that burden, or try to lift and move that block, will be cut asunder themselves. The Nation at the head of the charge to carve up Jerusalem to hand half to the Arab League is the United States. This is not wisdom by Bush, it is Biblical Suicide.

With smart weapons, we can easily pick which window of the building we wish to drop the bomb into from 15 miles away. Why abandon Gaza to the Arab League to "limit collateral damage" that we do not cause in the first place? Frankly I think your indulging in massive wishful thinking from a sinking ship. God says you judge a tree by its fruits, He does not say, if the fruit is sour, perhaps the intention is sweet.

Now you say as a Christian Bush, but you do not take into account that Bush is making decisions not on Christian Doctrine, but clearly is making decisions on the New World Order Doctrine of secular Humanistic rule of the world.

Does he stop Abortion? No.
Did he save Terri Schalvago from murder by starvation? No.
Did he protect the Constitutional limits on Government or negate them with the Patriot act? He negated them.
Have not the IRS rules for Non Profit Religious groups become a complete restriction of Missionary work under Bush's reign? It is illegal for a Church to give money to an individual now under the new rules for Corporations in 501c's. Missionary's are now ILLEGAL by tax LAW.
Is Bush siding with Israel and God or with the Globalists? Globalists.
Did Bush move the Embassy to Jerusalem as he promised the American people, or does he block it as he promised the Saudi Kings? He blocks it.
Does Bush heed the warnings of the Bible against all Nations that cut asunder Israel, or does he cut away as the Globalists decide? He cuts away.

Is Bush a Christian? He talks the talk, but does not walk the walk politically.

Is Bush a Globalist? He talks the talk, walks the walk, and has allowed the destruction of both the Constitution of the United States, property rights on which democracy is founded. The New World Order dream, has been put in place by a man who Claims to be a Christian, but delivers nothing Christian.

The fruit stinks, and after 6 years it has never ripened into something even remotely Christian. But, we have a fine swat team for a police force, We are at war in two fronts and have nobody guarding our borders and Russia and China are gearing up for invasion with over 5 practice runs at full scale war with America in Bush's years alone.

My friend, it is the Globalist dream, America cut asunder, and the Jews under the thumb of the Sand Nazi's. Bush is not your friend, he is your judgment. While he may think he is a fine Christian, he is a product of replacement theology Churches that do not know their Bibles, and he is a tool, at best, of the New World Order.

I suggest you read Isaiah 18, a prophecy that is part of this prophecy of destruction in the Middle East. For just like in Zeph 2 (which my write up follows this thread) the destruction does not stop with the Philistines, but continues on to Moab and beyond. The prophecy does not stop until Isaiah 20 where a new prophecy is outlined with a dating separation. Isaiah 18 is an odd ball, it is the only one that does not identify the nation that is cut asunder. It just says it is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia. It is a land that is farther than known borders were in that day. It is America I think.

God made a simple promise to Abraham, who curses him, God curses, who blesses him, God blesses. And if you look in history, what ever a people do to the Jews is returned upon them 10 fold.

Germany was slaughtered, the people burned in the fires of Dresden. Its capitol was converted into a prison camp for years and years. Brittany, the Empire that the sun never sets on, divided the land of Israel, and now is so cut asunder that on cloudy days in London, the Empire of Brittany is an empire that the sun never shines on.

If bush is dumb like a fox, he has called the wrath of God on America, and will cause it to be cut asunder.

That is mighty dumb, even for a fox.

Don't get me wrong, I like Bush as a brother, but his policy's in Israel will bring destruction on America far worse than any President in our History. No other president was arrogant enough to challenge God Himself. God is not impressed by nuclear weapons, or democracy.

God, is simply put, God. Bush is simply put, a man, and not a very smart man when it comes to the Bible. You can stir up a hornets next taking on Islam, but you are opening a can of Whupass taking on the God of Israel. Even if you claim to be his follower.

6 posted on 08/13/2005 3:03:27 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

I thought we were pretty much marked to be "torn asunder" as you put it, when Revelation was fulfilled and the grey cloud tore down the tower of Babel in an hour.

Oh, how the merchants and allies lamented and wailed for he loss of wealth that occured in that hour, but they stood a long way away.

Or have you forgotten 9-11 and how our "allies" kept their distance afterward?


8 posted on 08/13/2005 3:10:13 AM PDT by kaotic133
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To: American in Israel
For so many these are such hard things to read, even as very strong believers, we can allow ourselves to be tempted to look back like Lot's wife and wish things where different maybe, to devise some romantic/victorious scheme to make it all make sense even though the facts are so plainly in front of us. Praying for you as you offer up these articles for reading and praying for those who read them, that they not allow their hearts to go away from Him in some wrong direction, guided by wishful thinking not in accordance with His Word.


http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Th/2Th002.html#3

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
11 posted on 08/13/2005 6:48:24 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3)
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To: American in Israel

"I suggest you read Isaiah"

I suggest you read the new Testament, which is history, and the truth, and stop demeaning, belittling and debasing my Bible.


41 posted on 08/14/2005 1:51:25 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: American in Israel
God made a simple promise to Abraham, who curses him, God curses, who blesses him, God blesses. And if you look in history, what ever a people do to the Jews is returned upon them 10 fold.
42 posted on 08/14/2005 2:26:45 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: American in Israel

I think you are being a little too hard on Bush the man. A President is a powerful man but not an all powerful man. He is president and not king or dictator. He can change what he can and only pray about what he can't and may God give him the wisdom to know the difference. Some of those items you blame Bush for not changing may be things that are not in God's plan to have changed. Also, it is much better to lose the battle and win the war than to win the battle and lose the war. The fight must be fought at the right time and place to ensure the victory. The winning of the war is the sum of ALL battles.


56 posted on 08/14/2005 7:24:46 PM PDT by tryon1ja
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To: American in Israel
I very much enjoyed your post, and will feel no remorse if these terrorists are destroyed. I do believe it will be by the hand of God himself. I do not however, agree that we can blame President Bush. He was not the author of the so called treaties that Israel agreed to with Arafat, that impostor that Bill Clinton had to the White House more than ANY other world leader. I am growing weary of him being blamed for every ill in the universe. Other than that, fantastic post that really intrigued me.
62 posted on 08/14/2005 9:58:19 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftist=Anti American!)
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To: American in Israel

I know (have talked to some personally) that the President has had excellent prayerful prophetic input from good prophetic voices, sources. THEY consider him to be a bona-fide serious Christian.

I know some source(s) assert that he is working quietly with some [temporary, for sure] success to neutralize the NWO folks.

I personally don't know which side it will turn out that he lived on, came down on. Your statements have plenty of logical plausibility. I just don't see his role as that cut and dried.

My own speculation is that he may fear man too much. He may be too double minded. He may straddle the fence to much. And, he may "just" be trying to stay alive long enough by doing what the NWO folks demand so that he can do what good he can get away with.

I just don't know.

Regardless, prayers for him, our republic, our world and certainly FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM are Biblical and highly in order.


104 posted on 07/16/2006 7:09:40 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! ManI y very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: American in Israel
Did he protect the Constitutional limits on Government or negate them with the Patriot act? He negated them.

This is so not true, and is the smoke and mirrors of liberals out to destroy him, and us, in my opinion. This Patriot Act is NOT what the left is pretending it is, or what the right is fearing it is. Dear God, he is trying to make this nation more secure, which is his job, not dispensing religion on this country as you seem to want him to.

137 posted on 07/16/2006 5:09:28 PM PDT by ladyinred (The NYTimes, hang 'em high!)
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