Prophecy today, Zephaniah - Chapter 2 is happening before us

Eye witness news ^ | Aug 13, 2005 | American in Israel

[Marysecretary]

I fear what will happen to American if Bush persists in this Palestinian state nonsense. We're in deep doo! Doesn't the man read his Bible concerning Israel? Or is he blind/deceived? His actions toward Israel have really bothered me. The only other thing I can think of is God is using him to bring about prophecy. Can you help me?

[Marysecretary]

I fear what will happen to American if Bush persists in this Palestinian state nonsense. We're in deep doo! Doesn't the man read his Bible concerning Israel? Or is he blind/deceived? His actions toward Israel have really bothered me. The only other thing I can think of is God is using him to bring about prophecy. Can you help me?

[hlmencken3]

Pres. Bush has never indicated he thought Israel or Jews have any special role in history, much less a Biblical role. He has always acted like these are mere poiltical problems. (I'm willing to be proven wrong).

I've seen no reason to think the he shares a belief in dispensationalism with most American evangelicals, or seen evidence of any eschatological beliefs.

Seems to me that a lot of evangelicals jumped to unwarranted conclusions about the religious beliefs of GWB!

Do his statements that he has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ make him an evangelical?

BTW, if Hillary claimed a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, would she be an evangelical?

[restornu]

Are you a church of some kind?

[Marysecretary]

I know he's a Methodist. That alone gives me pause, but I did become a Christian when I was going to the Methodist Church. However, I didn't stay there for long after that. You can be a Christian and still be ignorant of the Bible and eschatology. I don't know his heart so I can't answer you about his evangelicalism.

[American in Israel]

I am not affiliated with any Formal Church. I am just your average Christian walking around out there.

[Salem]

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[reformedcrat]

Amos 1:6,7 is also about this "pullout". I have been heartsick over the expulsion of the Jews until I read your post and read the Amos chapter. I had seen the deportation as Sharon's/Israel's doing, but I think perhaps God sees it as the Arab's.

6Thus says the LORD, "For three transgressions of Gaza and for four I will not revoke its punishment, Because they deported an entire population To deliver it up to Edom.
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"So I will send fire upon the wall of Gaza And it will consume her citadels. (NASB)
--Marty

[American in Israel]

More clues! Outstanding! Man, lets hear it for Freeper!

I was joking with my wife last night about Gaza. What if the wind is blowing south when they mortar Ashdod? That is the main chemical plants and refinery city in Israel. It will go up with a big bang and the smoke will be very toxic. What if the Arabs blow it up and the smoke engulfs Gaza. Now that would be a literal happening to the prophecy that not a one does not have a appointment in the smoke from the north.

Would be poetic justice wouldn't it?

[American in Israel]

One thing to keep in mind, Edom is the part of Jordan that is American controlled, Moab is the part of Jordan that is Palestinian controlled. While in the prophecies of Isaiah 15 Moab is wiped out like in a nuclear war, Edom is unlisted. I always wondered about that and thought that perhaps because Edom is an "American economic zone" it was spared in the war.

By mentioning Edom specifically it points to America again.

[American in Israel]

As for Gaza being delivered up to Edom, this is the Flag that flys over present day Jordan:

And this is the flag of the Palestinians:

The only difference is that the star of the Hashimite King has been removed. So you can see, we are indeed handing Gaza over directly to the Edomites.

[American in Israel]

Sorry, I was in error. The following from Jordan: Jordan Flag Meaning: It is often believed the seven-pointed star represents the first seven verses of the Koran, which is the Islamic holy book. The official website of King Hussein (1953-1999) states: "The Jordan flag symbolizes the Kingdom's roots in the Great Arab Revolt of 1916, as it is adapted from the revolt banner. The black, white and green bands represent the Arab Abbasid, Umayyad and Fatimid dynasties respectively, while the crimson triangle joining the bands represents the Hashemite dynasty. The seven-pointed Islamic star set in the center of the crimson triangle represents the unity of Arab peoples in Jordan."

That means that the Palestinians chose to remove unity from their flag. Which is wise, because if they included it they would be admiting that Jordan is where they should be, not Israel as Jordan was created as a homeland for them.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Thank you, yet again.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Worth reading - Ping!

[lupie]

Ping.

[hlmencken3]

The fate of Edom is dealt with in the book of Obadiah.

[kimmie7]

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[kimmie7]

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[agrace]

I just read Obadiah the other day and the similarities to the disengagement are a bit chilling. Does this sound like the settlements and the Palestinian reaction to them or what?

12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.
13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;
14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.
15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

From the very beginning -

Obadiah 1:1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

[Jeremiah Jr]

The Land…

Joel 2

15 Blow the trumpet in Zion,
declare a holy fast,
call a sacred assembly.

16 Gather the people,
consecrate the assembly;
bring together the elders,
gather the children,
those nursing at the breast.
Let the bridegroom leave his room
and the bride her chamber.

17 Let the priests, who minister before the LORD,
weep between the temple porch and the altar.
Let them say, "Spare your people, O LORD.
Do not make your inheritance an object of scorn,
a byword among the nations.
Why should they say among the peoples,
'Where is their God?' "

18 Then the LORD will be jealous for his land
and take pity on his people.

19 The LORD will reply to them:
"I am sending you grain, new wine and oil,
enough to satisfy you fully;
never again will I make you
an object of scorn to the nations.

20 "I will drive the northern army far from you,
pushing it into a parched and barren land,
with its front columns going into the eastern sea
and those in the rear into the western sea.
And its stench will go up;
its smell will rise."
Surely he has done great things.

21 Be not afraid, O land;
be glad and rejoice.
Surely the LORD has done great things.

22 Be not afraid, O wild animals,
for the open pastures are becoming green.
The trees are bearing their fruit;
the fig tree and the vine yield their riches.

23 Be glad, O people of Zion,
rejoice in the LORD your God,
for he has given you
the autumn rains in righteousness.
He sends you abundant showers,
both autumn and spring rains, as before.

24 The threshing floors will be filled with grain;
the vats will overflow with new wine and oil.

25 "I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten—
the great locust and the young locust,
the other locusts and the locust swarm —
my great army that I sent among you.

26 You will have plenty to eat, until you are full,
and you will praise the name of the LORD your God,
who has worked wonders for you;
never again will my people be shamed.

27 Then you will know that I am in Israel,
that I am the LORD your God,
and that there is no other;
never again will my people be shamed.

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