Posted on 09/08/2005 10:20:31 AM PDT by bornacatholic
Dear Friend of Catholic Answers:
Every Catholic apologist has had Matthew 23:9 thrown at him: "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven" (King James Version).
"See!" says the Fundamentalist or Evangelical. "This means you shouldn't call priests 'Father.' It's against the Bible."
Catholics and Protestants alike have worked on the assumption that opposition to the title "Father" has been part of the Protestant position from the beginning of the Reformation. Not so. It turns out that not so long ago Protestants used to call their own clergymen "Father"--and their clergywomen "Mother."
My colleague Peggy Frye, one of Catholic Answers' staff apologists, brought to my attention an article written for "The Christian Century" in 1985. The article is titled "Are 'Mother' and 'Father' Appropriate Titles for Protestant Clergy?" The author is David L. Holmes, who teaches in the religious studies department at the College of William and Mary.
You can find his article at: www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1916
Holmes was prompted to write by the then-new intrusion of female priests into the Episcopal Church. How should such women be titled? For many years the male clergy in the high-church wing of that denomination commonly had used the title "Father." Holmes quotes writers who argued that the appropriate title for newly-ordained female priests should be "Mother," to keep the usage in parallel.
He backs up this suggestion by noting that until the nineteenth century it was common for Protestant clergy, whether male or female, to use titles that nowadays are pretty much restricted to Catholics. We use "Father" when referring to priests and "Mother" when referring to heads of women's religious orders. It turns out that Protestants used to do much the same.
Holmes noted that in the early years of our country, "Father" was a term of respect given to older men, including clergy. "Congregationalists, Baptists, Methodists, and German Reformed commonly addressed older ministers as 'Father' well into the nineteenth century."
The title also was given to younger ministers who "served as spiritual fathers." "Herman Melville, for example, based his character Father Mapple--the whaleman-chaplain in 'Moby Dick'--on Father Edward Thompson Taylor, the Methodist pastor of Boston's Seamen's Bethel."
John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, was known not only as "Mr. Wesley" but also as "Father Wesley," and "the Shakers called their matriarch 'Mother' and their male leaders 'Father.'"
Mary Baker Eddy, the foundress of the Christian Science Church, was known as "Mother Eddy." Likewise for the foundress of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, Ellen Gould White, who was called "Mother White."
(Just as an aside: If you add up the Roman numeral equivalents of Ellen Gould White's name, with U = V and W = V + V, you get 666. This is poetic justice, since it chiefly is Seventh-Day Adventists who claimed that the "number of the beast" indicates the papacy.)
Holmes goes on to say, in surveying early American usage, that "if calling clergy 'Father' had violated biblical norms, the Christian Church and Disciples of Christ surely would have opposed it, for these groups were formed in an attempt to restore not only the doctrine and practices of primitive Christianity, but also its very nomenclature."
Those denominations said that using "reverend" or "doctor" for clergy was unscriptural, but Holmes says that the founders of these churches used "Father" "for their own clergy as well as for each other. And none of the movement's opponents ever seemed to exploit a contradiction in the movement's use of 'Father' as a clerical title. They apparently saw no contradiction."
But by the middle of the nineteenth century these usages began to disappear. "By the 1920s only Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and some Episcopal clergy and nuns were being addressed as 'Father' or 'Mother.'"
Why the change? The blame lies with the Irish, says Holmes. Until the great wave of Irish immigration in the 1840s, most Catholic priests in America were addressed as "Mister," "Monsieur," or "Don," not "Father." This was the Continental usage. The title "Father" was restricted to monks, and few priests in America were monks.
But the Irish had a different custom. They referred to all priests, whether religious or secular (that is, monastic or diocesan) as "Father." By the late nineteenth century "the Irish had influenced English-speaking Roman Catholicism to call every priest 'Father.'"
This bothered Protestants. So long as Catholic priests had been called "Mister," Protestants were comfortable calling their ministers "Father." But when Catholics changed their usage, Protestants, in order to distinguish their position from "priestcraft" and "popery," changed their usage too.
Matthew 23:9 now began to be used in a polemical sense. Protestants discovered in it a warning against the Catholic usage, a warning they had not seen when their own clergy were titled "Father."
"As more and more Irish Catholic priests moved into the United States, Protestants began to assert that 'Father' was unbiblical," says Holmes. "The literalist interpretation of Matthew 23:9 became a standard weapon in the arsenal of anti-Catholicism. ... As a result of this reaction, the twentieth century brought generations of American Protestants who knew nothing of ministers addressed as 'Father.'"
I look forward to using this information the next time a Fundamentalist or Evangelical refers to Matthew 23:9. It should make for an interesting discussion.
Until next time,
False. 1 Cor 4:15
1 Corinthians 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
This is not a title, but a description of the relationship with the church in Corinth. Just as a earthly father begats his children, Paul begat the church in Corinth. So the relationship is not one of blood, but this blood relationship is used for comparison.
Amen to all that.
Where does Paul tell the Corinthians to address him as "Father"? (Nowhere.)
Where does Jesus do away with the concept of earthly fatherhood (either biological or spiritual)? (Nowhere.)
Where does Jesus say not to honor a man with the title of "Father"? (Matthew 23:9).
That some Protestants may have been guilty of doing the same thing at one time or another really has no meaning for me. Maybe it just took them a while to see the light.
Mt 23:8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
"Rabbi" is "teacher" in Hebrew.
Just as some might call Galileo the 'father of science'. It is a comparison for the physical relationship, not an honorific.
That's a distinction without a difference. If he says he's the Corinthians' spiritual father in Christ, then he is. Calling him that is simply testifying to that truth.
Where does Jesus do away with the concept of earthly fatherhood (either biological or spiritual)? (Nowhere.)
Thanks for agreeing with me.
Very bad comparison. "Father of science" is merely metaphor. "Spiritual Father in Christ" is not really metaphor; a biological father ministers biological life to his children, and a spiritual father ministers spiritual life to his.
It is a comparison for the physical relationship, not an honorific.
Distinction without difference again. If "call no man father" means calling a spiritual leader "father" is a sin, then for a spiritual leader to say "I am your spiritual father" is to invite people to commit a sin.
If you have to make "exceptions for the obvious," perhaps it's because your exegesis is flawed at the root.
You don't have to put "Holy" in front of it for that to be true. If you refer to anyone, including your paternal parent, as "Father" or "my father" or -- worst of all -- "Our Father", you're referring to him by a title Jesus used for God the Father.
If that term were ever used you might have a point. I Cor 4:15 says:
1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
Obviously from the context a comparison of their relationship to the father and son relationship. as I have already stated.
I'll continue to search different translations, but have yet to find the term you are using.
Jesus authorized us to honor our biological fathers and mothers. The passage in Matthew 23 clearly refers to the spiritual use of the title father.
It's a huge distinction. The Bible makes it very clear that names and titles are extremely important to God.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
Nice try.
Paul simply stated he brought the church to Corinth. In effect, he "fathered" it.
While he said he fathered the church there, he did not say they should call him, "Father."
Clearly, Jesus told his disciples not to bestow the title of "Father" on any man.
And when God who has complete foreknowledge warns against something, you can be certain it will become a future problem.
We all know you'd like—no, you need—to think so. But, it only points to your steadfast refusal to admit the obvious difference between a title and a simple statement of fact.
Can't blame you, though. To acknowledge the truth would be to admit your Tradition is flawed.
It certainly is wonderful how He does that every time! :-)
Whoa! Didn't we have a good Protestant pointing out in one of the earlier posts that Mt 23:9 relates to the earlier verses about the behavior of the Pharisees? They weren't being too spiritual. They loved the public acclaim they received in the marketplace. Isn't that part of the point He's making?
Acts 7:2 - St. Stephen calls Jewish leaders "fathers"
Acts 21:40, 22:1 - St. Paul calls Jerusalem Jews "fathers"
Rom 4:16-17 - Abraham called the father of us all"
1Cor 4:14-15 - I became your father in Christ through gospel
1Tim 1:2 - my true child in our common faith
Heb 12:7-9 - we have earthly fathers to discipline us
Lk 14:26 - if anyone comes to me without hating his father…
1Thess 2:11 - we treated you as a father treats his children
Philem 10 - whose father I became in my imprisonment
1Jn 2:13, 14 - I write to you, fathers, because you know him
So did St. Paul.
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