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Catholic Caucus: Mary, The Power of Her Name [The Most Holy Name of the Blessed Virgin Mary]
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Posted on 09/12/2005 9:23:36 AM PDT by Salvation

 
 Mary Power of Her Name
 
 

The Holy Name of

 
 
Mary
 
Mary
The Power of
Her Name

By St. Alphonsus de Liguori

 

 
 
 
 

 

 
 

 

   Richard of St. Laurence states "there is not such powerful help in any name, nor is there any other name given to men, after that of Jesus, from which so much salvation is poured forth upon men as from the name of Mary." He continues, "that the devout invocation of this sweet and holy name leads to the acquisition of superabundant graces in this life, and a very high degree of glory in the next."

   After the most sacred name of Jesus, the name of Mary is so rich in every good thing, that on earth and in heaven there is no other from which devout souls receive so much grace, hope, and sweetness.

   Hence Richard of St. Laurence encourages sinners to have recourse to this great name," because it alone will suffice to cure them of all their evils; and "there is no disorder, however malignant, that does not immediately yield to the power of the name of Mary." The Blessed Raymond Jordano says, "that however hardened and diffident a heart may be, the name of this most Blessed Virgin has such efficacy, that if it is only pronounced that heart will be wonderfully softened." Moreover, it is well known, and is daily experienced by the clients of Mary, that her powerful name gives the particular strength necessary to overcome temptations against purity.

   In fine, "thy name, 0 Mother of God, is filled with divine graces and blessings," as St. Methodius says. So much so, that St. Bonaventure declares, "that thy name, 0 Mary, cannot be pronounced without bringing some grace to him who does so devoutly.". . grant, 0 Lady, that we may often remember to name thee with love and confidence; for this practice either shows the possession of divine grace, or else is a pledge that we shall soon recover it.

   On the other hand, Thomas a Kempis affirms "that the devils fear the Queen of heaven to such a degree, that only on hearing her great name pronounced, they fly from him who does so as from a burning fire." The Blessed Virgin herself revealed to St. Bridget "that there is not on earth a sinner, however devoid he may be of the love of God, from whom the devil is not obliged immediately to fly, if he invokes her holy name with a determination to repent." On another occasion she repeated the same thing to the saint, saying, "that all the devils venerate and fear her name to such a degree, that on hearing it they immediately loosen the claws with which they hold the soul captive." Our Blessed Lady also told St. Bridget, "that in the same way as the rebel angels fly from sinners who invoke the name of Mary, so also do the good angels approach nearer to just souls who pronounce her name with devotion."

Promises

   Consoling indeed are the promises of help made by Jesus Christ to those who have devotion to the name of Mary; for one day in the hearing of St. Bridget, He promised His most holy Mother that He would grant three special graces to those who invoke that holy name with confidence: first, that He would grant them perfect sorrow for their sins; secondly, that their crimes should be atoned for; and, thirdly, that He would give them strength to attain perfection, and at length the glory of paradise. And then our Divine Savior added: "For thy words, 0 My Mother, are so sweet and agreeable to Me, that I cannot deny what thou askest."

   St. Ephrem goes so far as to say, "that the name of Mary is the key of the gates of heaven," in the hands of those who devoutly invoke it. And thus it is not without reason that St. Bonaventure says "that Mary is the salvation of all who call upon her." "0 most sweet name! 0 Mary, what must thou thyself be, since thy name alone is thus amiable and gracious," exclaims Blessed Henry Suso.

   Let us, therefore, always take advantage of the beautiful advice given us by St. Bernard, in these words: "In dangers, in perplexities, in doubtful cases, think of Mary, call on Mary; let her not leave thy lips; let her not depart from thy heart."

Names of Jesus and Mary

   In every danger of forfeiting divine grace, we should think of Mary, and invoke her name, together with that of Jesus; FOR THESE TWO NAMES ALWAYS GO TOGETHER. 0, then, never let us permit these two most sweet names to leave our hearts, or be off our lips; for they will give us strength not only not to yield, but to conquer all our temptations.

   "The invocation of the sacred names of Jesus and Mary," says Thomas a Kempis, "is a short prayer which is as sweet to the mind, and as powerful to protect those who use it against the enemies of their salvation, as it is easy to remember."


Hour of Death

   Thus we see that the most holy name of Mary is sweet indeed to her clients during life, on account of the very great graces that she obtains for them. But sweeter still will it be to them in death, on account of the tranquil and holy end that it will insure them.

   Let us then, 0 devout reader, beg God to grant us, that at death the name of Mary may be the last word on our lips. This was the prayer of St. Germanus: "May the last movement of my tongue be to pronounce the name of the Mother of God;" 0 sweet, 0 safe is that death which is accompanied and protected by so saying a name; for God only grants the grace of invoking it to those whom He is about to save.

   Father Sertorius Caputo, of the Society of Jesus, exhorted all who assist the dying frequently to pronounce the name of Mary; for this name of life and hope, when repeated at the hour of death, suffices to put the devils to flight, and to comfort such persons in their sufferings.

   "Blessed is the man who loves thy name, 0 Mary" exclaims St. Bonaventure. "Yes, truly blessed is he who loves thy sweet name, 0 Mother of God! for," he continues, "thy name is so glorious and admirable, that no one who remembers it has any fears at the hour of death." Such is its power, that none of those who invoke it at the hour of death fear the assaults of their enemies.

   St. Camillus de Lellis urged the members of his community to remind the dying often to utter the holy names of Jesus and Mary. Such was his custom when assisting people in their last hour.

   Oh, that we may end our lives as did the Capuchin Father, Fulgentius of Ascoli, who expired singing, "0 Mary, 0 Mary, the most beautiful of creatures! let us depart together."

    Let us conclude with the tender prayer of St. Bonaventure:

   "I ask thee, 0 Mary, for the glory of thy name, to come and meet my soul when it is departing from this world, and to take it in thine arms."


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Women for Faith and Family

The Most Holy Name of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Optional Memorial
September 12th



Helen Hull Hitchcock

Collect: From the Collection of Masses of the Blessed Virgin Mary

First Reading (1st Option): Galatians 4:4-7
When the time had fully come, God sent forth His Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son then an heir.

First Reading (2nd Option): Ephesians 1:3-6
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.

Gospel Reading:Luke 1:39-47
In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a city of Judah, and she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord." And Mary said, "My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.


1 posted on 09/12/2005 9:23:38 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: All
Divine Praises

The Divine Praises are a series of praises, recited for generations after the benediction of the Blessed Sacrament. They are thought to be originally compiled in 1797 by Luigi Felici, S.J. to make reparation for blasphemy and profane language. Praise of the Immaculate Conception, the Assumption, the Sacred Heart, St. Joseph and the Precious Blood have been added since the mid-nineteenth century.

This is a beautiful prayer that can be recited outside of benediction, especially during the month of January, which is dedicated to the Holy Name of Jesus. The Feast of the Holy Name of Jesus has been restored by Pope John Paul II to January 3.

Blessed be God.
Blessed be His Holy Name.
Blessed be Jesus Christ, true God and true man.
Blessed be the name of Jesus.
Blessed be His Most Sacred Heart.
Blessed be His Most Precious Blood.
Blessed be Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar.
Blessed be the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete.
Blessed be the great Mother of God, Mary most holy.
Blessed be her holy and Immaculate Conception.
Blessed be her glorious Assumption.
Blessed be the name of Mary, Virgin and Mother.
Blessed be Saint Joseph, her most chaste spouse.
Blessed be God in His angels and in His Saints.

(Optional) May the heart of Jesus, in the Most Blessed Sacrament, be praised, adored, and loved with grateful affection, at every moment, in all the tabernacles of the world, even to the end of time. Amen.


2 posted on 09/12/2005 9:29:58 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Some history about the Feast of the Holy Name of Mary (From Holy Name of Mary)

In 1513, a feast of "The Holy Name of Mary" was granted by Papal indult [Pope Julius II] to the diocese of Cuenta in Spain. It was assigned with proper Office on September 15, the octave day of Our Lady's Nativity. With the reform of the Breviary undertaken by Pope St. Pius V, the feast was abolished, only to be reinstituted by his successor, Pope Sixtus V, who changed the date to September 17. From there, the feast spread to the Archdiocese of Toledo [1622] and, eventually, to all of Spain and to the Kingdom of Naples [1671].

Throughout this time, permission to celebrate the feast was given to various religious orders in a prudent manner as has been the custom throughout Church history regarding feast-days, their dates, offices, liturgical expression, etc. However, this Feast of the Holy Name of Mary would one day be joyfully extended to the Universal Church, and this on account of rather dramatic circumstances involving one of Poland's great military heroes, John Sobieski [1629-1696].

In July 1683, the Grand Vizier Kara Mustapha had reached Vienna and laid siege to the city, which was being defended by only 15,000 men. Sobieski set out for Vienna in August, his forces marching behind the banner of the Blessed Virgin. Passing by the Sanctuary of Mary in Czestochowa, they implored Our Lady's help and blessing. Writing centuries later to the bishops of Poland, Pope Pius XII recalled the supplications of Sobieski to Mary at the Sanctuary on Jasna Gora [i.e., "Bright Hill"], the site of the Shrine:

"To the same Heavenly Queen, on Clear Mountain, the illustrious John Sobieski, whose eminent valor freed Christianity from the attacks of its old enemies, confided himself." [Letter, Cum iam lustri abeat, 1951]

In September, the men joined with the German troops under John George, Elector of Saxony, and Prince Charles of Lorraine. On the eighth day of the month, the Feast of the Nativity of Mary, Sobieski prepared himself for the ensuing conflict by the reception of Holy Communion.

Battle was engaged before the walls of Vienna on September 12, 1683, with Sobieski seemingly put to flight by "the fierce Turkish forces. However, this retreat was a minor setback only. The Hussars renewed their assault and charged the Turks, this time sending the enemy into a retreat. The combat raged on, until Sobieski finally stormed the enemy camp. The Turkish forces were routed, Vienna was saved, and Sobieski sent the "Standard of the Prophet" to Pope Innocent XI along with the good news. In a letter to the Pontiff, Sobieski summed up his victory in these words: Veni, vidi, Deus vicit -----"I came, I saw, God conquered!" To commemorate this glorious victory, and render thanksgiving to God and honor to Our Lady for their solicitude in the struggle, Pope Innocent XI extended "The Feast of the Holy Name of Mary" to the Universal Church. Although the feast was originally celebrated on the Sunday after the Nativity of Mary, Pope St. Pius X [+1914] decreed that it be celebrated on September 12, in honor of the victory of the Catholic forces under John Sobieski. The history of this feast reminds us in some ways of that of "Our Lady of the Rosary," which was instituted to celebrate and commemorate the victory of the Catholic forces over the Turkish navy at the Battle of Lepanto in 1571: "And thus Christ's faithful warriors, prepared to sacrifice their life and blood for the welfare of their Faith and their country, proceeded undauntedly to meet their foe near the Gulf of Corinth; while those who were unable to join them formed a band of pious supplicants, who called on Mary and, as one, saluted Her again and again in the words of the Rosary, imploring Her to grant victory to their companions engaged in battle. Our sovereign Lady did grant Her aid."

3 posted on 09/12/2005 9:56:13 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Behold thy mother." -Our Lord Jesus Christ, John 19: 27)
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...

Catholic ping!


4 posted on 09/12/2005 9:59:38 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Behold thy mother." -Our Lord Jesus Christ, John 19: 27)
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To: Pyro7480

5 posted on 09/12/2005 10:07:42 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Thanks for the beautiful painting to spruce up the thread. Is that Bougereau? (sp?)


6 posted on 09/12/2005 10:09:50 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Behold thy mother." -Our Lord Jesus Christ, John 19: 27)
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To: Pyro7480

I think it is . . . looks like one of his, although I didn't check.


7 posted on 09/12/2005 10:10:32 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Pyro7480
It is. And here is a Martin de Vos that I have always liked:

St. Luke painting the Virgin's portrait.

(The bull is just in case you didn't know it was St. Luke. < g > )

8 posted on 09/12/2005 10:13:59 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
It's called La Madone aux Roses.
9 posted on 09/12/2005 10:22:28 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Behold thy mother." -Our Lord Jesus Christ, John 19: 27)
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To: Salvation


Thanks for posting this!
10 posted on 09/12/2005 12:00:26 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: Salvation

Wonderful post. Thank you.


11 posted on 09/12/2005 1:18:55 PM PDT by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Pyro7480

Thank you so much!


12 posted on 09/12/2005 5:01:14 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

You're welcome. Thank you for coming on board!


13 posted on 09/12/2005 5:02:24 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Desdemona

Thank you. Are you back from your trip?


14 posted on 09/12/2005 5:02:54 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All

15 posted on 09/12/2005 5:04:03 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: AnAmericanMother

LOL - it looks like they're sitting in Villa Philbrook, in Tulsa. Big feet on that lady, too :-).


16 posted on 09/12/2005 5:11:35 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: Tax-chick

If I had ever been to Tulsa (other than stopping at the airport to refuel once) I might get the joke . . . please explain to non-Sooners!


17 posted on 09/12/2005 7:11:48 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Sorry about that! The room where they're sitting looks exactly like the salon at Villa Philbrook, an Italian-style joint built in the 20's by Waite Phillips, one of the Phillips Petroleum brothers. It's a museum now. Waite also gave Philmont Ranch to the Boy Scouts; he got bored easily.

The feet were just a random observation.


18 posted on 09/13/2005 5:18:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: Tax-chick
I think it's a perspective thing, her foot is pointed towards the artist.

Or maybe the Dutch just have big feet! I love St. Luke's face, wonder if it's a self-portrait.

19 posted on 09/13/2005 5:41:25 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I hadn't noticed - I was looking at the clothes and the room :-). Yes, a very interesting face, distinguished nose. The assistant at the left is obviously a character, too.

I had a management professor named Ton de Vos. He was a Dutch South African.


20 posted on 09/13/2005 5:50:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: Tax-chick
LOL - it looks like they're sitting in Villa Philbrook, in Tulsa.

St. Luke painting the Blessed Mother in Tulsa is at least as believable as St. Luke painting the Blessed Mother in Italian Renaissance style, while wearing Italian Renaissance clothing and seated next to a bull. :-)

21 posted on 09/13/2005 6:17:44 AM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: AnAmericanMother
That painting is on the cover of Alive and Well, a quarterly magazine put out by the Archdiocese of New York.
22 posted on 09/13/2005 6:19:00 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Pyro7480

The demonic aura surrounding the cult of the BVM is the one thing that most convincingly bars my road back to Rome.


23 posted on 09/13/2005 6:20:54 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: TomSmedley
The demonic aura surrounding the cult of the BVM

... is a figment of your imagination. The devil hates and fears the Mother of God, and is happy to keep you in the same state.

24 posted on 09/13/2005 6:26:44 AM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: TomSmedley
Oh, horse feathers.

I was an Episcopalian for years, not because I was worried about the Blessed Virgin - just because I was a sixth generation Piskie.

Anyhow, after being a Piskie all those years in an extremely liberal diocese, I have a very well developed antenna for the nasty stuff - the more radical priests and priestesses were bringing crazy practices and even people like that in off the street. I don't get that in our Catholic parish or in our archdiocese -- our tough old no-nonsense Irish rector wouldn't stand for it.

Any "demonic aura" you perceive is probably generated by well-meaning (I hope) but ignorant protestants who are opposed to what they think they "know" about the Church and Mary.

25 posted on 09/13/2005 6:31:40 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: ELS

Glad somebody else likes and appreciates that painting. It manages to be otherworldly and at the same time utterly grounded in Dutch realism.


26 posted on 09/13/2005 6:33:08 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: TomSmedley; Pyro7480
The demonic aura surrounding the cult of the BVM is the one thing that most convincingly bars my road back to Rome.

Now that's the most demonic statement I've read on this thread.

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. Genesis 3:15

Who hates Our Lady more than Satan? Who hates her children more than he does? Who hates to see Our Lady get the honor that she is due more than he? How pleased he must be when people fail to love and honor her the way Our Lord does.

27 posted on 09/13/2005 6:33:20 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Salvation

Just a simply awesome post.


28 posted on 09/13/2005 6:35:22 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Campion

This is true.


29 posted on 09/13/2005 6:36:51 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

To me, one of the "otherworldly" parts (in addition to the bull in the salon, of course) is the lack of diapering.

(Okay, I'll stop now!)


30 posted on 09/13/2005 6:39:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: Campion
St. Luke painting the Blessed Mother in Tulsa is at least as believable as St. Luke painting the Blessed Mother in Italian Renaissance style, while wearing Italian Renaissance clothing and seated next to a bull. :-)

Well . . . why not? LOL!




(the torch looks pretty dangerous to me . . . but at least St. Luke has put a halter on his bull in the illumination!)

31 posted on 09/13/2005 6:48:22 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Tax-chick
The poor fellow who's over there grinding the paint is thinking, "Oh, rats! Next I have to go get the shovel and the broom . . . "

Here's another De Vos . . . I like how he paints the "little guys" - the folks around the edges of the action, and the servant leaning down to catch the Virgin's whispered, "Do whatever he tells you to."


32 posted on 09/13/2005 6:51:10 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Those don't look like "stone jars, each holding 20 or 30 gallons" to me! But what's a little artistic license among friends ...

I don't care for the pictures where the Baby Jesus looks like a miniature adult - especially that one where He looks like a tiny Arnold Schwartzenegger!


33 posted on 09/13/2005 6:54:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: TomSmedley
I see that you have attracted some flames for telling the truth about Mary Worship.

They lift the name of Mary up to the very same pinnacle where only God's name belongs.

To even state "The Most High" to describe her name is heretical, then they attack YOU as the demonic one. They are truly blind, and will not accept instruction from anyone but their own church.

That article is yet another horrific example of how they try to link the power of Christ to Mary as though the work of Christ as insufficient.

I think your statement is very well put and accurate. It is demonic. We should shrink back from idolatry and from anything that takes away from the glory that rightfully belongs to Christ.

But don't even think you can convince them of this. The powerful grip of this idolatry is almost insurmountable. I know first hand how hard it is for people, especially older people with a Catholic background to get freedom from the FEAR and anxiety of idol worship in Catholicism. Very much like breaking the grip of a cult like Mormonism. In fact the two operate very similarly.
35 posted on 09/13/2005 6:57:53 AM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: Tax-chick
LOL! No doubt they took the wine OUT of the stone jars to bring it to the table . . . or something like that.

I guess some artists couldn't find a baby who was willing to hold still long enough.

36 posted on 09/13/2005 6:59:20 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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You call that FLAMES? Good gracious, you are too sensitive for FR!

I'm sure there are some Catholics, probably the elderly and credulous, who mistakenly worship Mary. But since when do we judge a church on the flights of fancy of some of its members? The Catechism is abundantly clear regarding the status of Mary, and it is nothing like you describe. Read for yourself.

37 posted on 09/13/2005 7:03:15 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: sandyeggo
I'll say a Hail Mary for you.

Seriously, I'd rather you didn't invoke "alternate deities" on my behalf. Sorry you find "God the Father, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible" an inadquate object for devotion and petition.

38 posted on 09/13/2005 7:04:23 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: NormB
But don't even think you can convince them of this. The powerful grip of this idolatry is almost insurmountable. I know first hand how hard it is for people, especially older people with a Catholic background to get freedom from the FEAR and anxiety of idol worship in Catholicism. Very much like breaking the grip of a cult like Mormonism. In fact the two operate very similarly.

Yes. In both cases, you have a self-aware spiritual entity putting on a mask in order to hijack devotional energies that properly should be directed to God. The demonic can be beautiful, in a weird kind of way. Answering prayers, granting mystical experiences, exhorting to righteous living, all in the name of a substitute deity. But the weirdness around the edges sort of gives it away. You keep seeing a cloven hoof sticking out from the hem of the blue robe.

39 posted on 09/13/2005 7:08:07 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I guess some artists couldn't find a baby who was willing to hold still long enough.

So they just shrank a local bodybuilder ...

Well, it makes as much sense as the livestock underfoot in the palazzi ... not to mention the fact that Jesus is the only one wearing anything even suggestive of Judean dress, while every other participant has been shopping in Mantua ...

40 posted on 09/13/2005 7:10:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: TomSmedley

Tom you REALLY have a wonderful way with words!

I was looking through this thread and you see how many folks posted pics of paintings. What does that say to you?


42 posted on 09/13/2005 7:18:54 AM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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That article is yet another horrific example of how they try to link the power of Christ to Mary as though the work of Christ as insufficient.

This is the kernel of your error.

CHRIST linked the power of CHRIST to Mary, when he became incarnate through her, and chose, in obedience to the Father, to redeem us through his Incarnation.

That's really right at the heart of the Gospel. In fact, St. John calls those who deny Christ come in the flesh -- and Christ came in the flesh through Mary, remember -- he calls them antiChrist.

That doesn't "make the work of Christ insufficient". That IS the work of Christ.

Before you call something "demonic", stop to remember that "demonic" is exactly what the Pharisees called Jesus.

44 posted on 09/13/2005 7:21:32 AM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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Since the Angelic Salutation ("Hail Mary") is taken almost verbatim from the Bible, I think I know who's taking fright at shadows here . . .

And the Nicene Creed is said at every Mass, which is more than one can say about some other denominations . . . (BTW, it also mentions Mary . . . < boo! scared ya! > )

45 posted on 09/13/2005 7:22:00 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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In both cases, you have a self-aware spiritual entity putting on a mask in order to hijack devotional energies that properly should be directed to God.

By that logic, my wife is demonic. After all, I give her "devotional energies" (far more, truth be told, than I give to the Blessed Virgin) every day. She's also a "self-aware spiritual entity".

God is not a miser, and is the very antithesis of selfishness. What is given to God's friends is not taken away from him. The devil would like you to believe otherwise, because if he can persuade you that God is selfish, you will become like the one you worship.

46 posted on 09/13/2005 7:24:30 AM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NormB
I was looking through this thread and you see how many folks posted pics of paintings. What does that say to you?

I'm responsible for most if not all of that. It says to me that I like art . . . you'll always find me on the art threads, esp. republicanprofessor's art classes.

What on earth does it say to you? < adjusting tin foil demonic shield >

47 posted on 09/13/2005 7:24:33 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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you see how many folks posted pics of paintings. What does that say to you?

Um, maybe that they like art?

48 posted on 09/13/2005 7:25:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: sandyeggo

Bump, well done.


50 posted on 09/13/2005 7:36:34 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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