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To: DallasMike
We need to devote our time to telling others what a relationship with Christ can do for their lives NOW and in their eternal future, not trying to convince them that the earth is 6,000 or 10,000 or 4.5 billion years old. Forget the debate about the age of the earth because that's just getting in the way. Let's put things in perspective and stick to the important topic of how Jesus can change people's lives when they accept him as Lord and Saviour. People need to personally know Jesus, not listen to debates on how old the earth is.

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Boy. what a wonderful insulated life you all have. Not one of you has probably worked with any secular scientist to understand the extent of the damage caused by your hostile antagonisms against the numerous disciplines that have anything to do with cosmology. Hack, hack, hack away--call them evil evolutionists. Impinge their character. Warn your kids not to take any of the evil sciences, especially anthropology or paleontology. Let a huge segment of scientific society go to hell---leave them no witness. Do you guys even police yourselves? What about the Kent Hovinds, the Carl Baughs, the Don Pattens, of Christian academia? These are the ones most vocal, and these are your representatives of creationism to everybody I work with. And what about me? Are my comments not even worth a reply? An active thread killed by a mystery man? Are my comments too compelling for you to even answer? Is this how you witness to professionals who are interested in joining a debate? To some one who longs for dialog with any Christian scientists? No comments on the fraud that is promoted by your own crationists? Not one word of warning to anyone reading these threads? Not even a word of warning about me? Just silence. So be it. I seem to remember a verse that says that in the last days men will seek teachers in accordance with their own desires, tickling their ears. Let me add another one: "Always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Hummmmmm. Let's play ring around the issues. Lets dialog until someone comes with real meat. Then lets hope he goes away. We'll give him the silent treatment. Oh--maybe you are upset about my response to the 19 posts you sent after I exposed the Las Cruces human track as a hoax--one I dare say was promoted as fact on another thread in your forum. You guys mentioned my name. How do you think I found the forum in the first place? Oh I get it. No response but sarcasm and snippits. I wrote a careful and scientific comment to the Las Cruces "human track" at the end of that thread and not a word back. In fact, you answer the ones who continue to promote fraud, and hurl sarcastic barbs at the one exposing it.

I remember another verse--a smooth (lit. kind answer) turns away wrath. Even Solomon couldn't imagine someone getting no answer.

Well it worked. There are no ambassadors for Christ to be found on this thread. Apparently I, along with your hoaxters, are not even worthy of a rebuke. "Tell us a lie, you say, "and we will respond to you." Tell us that everything is great within creationist dogma. Tell us that thousands of scientists are okay being unchurched and unreached. Well, I don't share your lack of concern. I'll wotk alone with the Holy Spirit as my teacher. I'll be an ambassador for Christ. And when those evil evolutionists who know of my work and discoveries see the frauds presented, and not one rebuke, I'll just tell them the truth. They know me. They will listen to me.
54 posted on 10/20/2005 8:04:45 AM PDT by Dinobot (Young earth; creation evolution; apparent age;ageoftheearth;creaetionevolution;intelligent design)
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For the science room, no free speech
By Bill Murchison

Dec 28, 2005


Will the federal courts, and the people who rely on the federal courts to enforce secular ideals, ever get it? The anti-school-prayer decisions of the past 40 years -- not unlike the pro-choice-in-abortion decisions, starting with Roe vs. Wade -- haven't driven pro-school-prayer, anti-choice Americans from the marketplace of ideas and activity.

Neither will U.S. Dist. Judge John Jones' anti-intelligent-design ruling in Dover, Pa., just before Christmas choke off challenges to the public schools' Darwinian monopoly.

Jones' contempt for the "breathtaking inanity" of school-board members who wanted ninth-grade biology students to hear a brief statement regarding Darwinism's "gaps/problems" is unlikely to intimidate the millions who find evolution only partly persuasive -- at best.

Millions? Scores of millions might be more like it. A 2004 Gallup Poll found that just 13 percent of Americans believe in evolution unaided by God. A Kansas newspaper poll last summer found 55 percent support for exposing public-school students to critiques of Darwinism.

This accounts for the widespread desire that children be able to factor in some alternatives to the notion that "natural selection" has brought us, humanly speaking, where we are. Well, maybe it has. But what if it hasn't? The science classroom can't take cognizance of such a possibility? Under the Jones ruling, it can't. Jones discerns a plot to establish a religious view of the question, though the religion he worries about exists only in the possibility that God, per Genesis 1, might intrude celestially into the discussion. (Intelligent-designers, for the record, say the power of a Creator God is just one of various possible counter-explanations.)

Not that Darwinism, as Jones acknowledges, is perfect. Still, "the fact that a scientific theory cannot yet render an explanation on every point should not be used as a pretext to thrust an untestable alternative hypothesis grounded in religion into the science classroom or to misrepresent scientific propositions."

Ah. We see now: Federal judges are the final word on good science. Who gave them the power to exclude even whispers of divinity from the classroom? Supposedly, the First Amendment to the Constitution: the odd part here being the assumption that the "free speech" amendment shuts down discussion of alternatives to an establishment-approved concept of Truth.

With energy and undisguised contempt for the critics of Darwinism, Jones thrusts out the back door of his courthouse the very possibility that any sustained critique of Darwinism should be admitted to public classrooms.

However, the writ of almighty federal judges runs only so far, as witness their ongoing failure to convince Americans that the Constitution requires almost unobstructed access to abortion. Pro-life voters and activists, who number in the millions, clearly aren't buying it. We're to suppose efforts to smother intelligent design will bear larger, lusher fruit?

The meeting place of faith and reason is proverbially darkish and unstable -- a place to which the discussants bring sometimes violently different assumptions about truth and where to find it. Yet, the recent remarks of the philosopher-theologian Michael Novak make great sense: "I don't understand why in the public schools we cannot have a day or two of discussion about the relative roles of science and religion." A discussion isn't a sermon or an altar call, is it?

Equally to the point, what does secular intolerance achieve in terms of revitalizing public schools, rendering them intellectually catalytic? As many religious folk see it, witch-hunts for Christian influences are an engrained part of present public-school curricula. Is this where they want the kids? Might private schools -- not necessarily religious ones -- offer a better alternative? Might home schooling?

Alienating bright, energized, intellectually alert customers is normally accounted bad business, but that's the direction in which Darwinian dogmatists point. Thanks to them and other such foes of free speech in the science classroom -- federal judges included -- we seem likely to hear less and less about survival of the fittest and more and more about survival of the least curious, the least motivated, the most gullible.






Find this story at: http://townhall.com/opinion/columns/billmurchison/2005/12/28/180478.html


55 posted on 12/28/2005 2:56:15 AM PST by 13Sisters76
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