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To: HarleyD
We ask our dispensational friends to consider what their position will be if the present Jewish occupation ends in disaster.

Not if, but when.

9 posted on 09/30/2005 10:00:23 AM PDT by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: zeeba neighba
We ask our dispensational friends to consider what their position will be if the present Jewish occupation ends in disaster.

This question has a disgusting embedded insinuation - and that is the people who blow up women and children are morally superior to the people who are defending themselves against an aggressive enemy. be from one of the spiritually dead mainline churches.

While they are forming their reply, we would point out to readers that so far from converting Israel and establishing them in the land, the second coming of Christ will overtake them (and all the world) "as a thief in the night," in the which the heavens will pass away with a great noise and the elements melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up (2 Peter 3: 1 0).

Fine. Explain the Romans verses I posted and how you reconcile them to this horrible exegesis.

10 posted on 09/30/2005 10:14:26 AM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: zeeba neighba; HarleyD
Respond to this verse in light of your views:

"If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either." Romans 11:17ff [emphasis mind]

And this one:

"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so tht ou may not be conceited; Israel has experienced a hardening inn part until the full number of he Gentiles has come in." Ro. 11:25

How do you reconcile these verses with your view of the jewish people? Dispensationalism aside, Paul is making a very clear distinction between the church and the ETHNIC jewish people in these verses. You should "BE AFRAID" lest you be "cut off."

12 posted on 09/30/2005 10:17:09 AM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: zeeba neighba

***We ask our dispensational friends to consider what their position will be if the present Jewish occupation ends in disaster.
Not if, but when.***

It will mean that the age of Grace will last longer and that the the destroyed modern state of Israel is not the one of prophecy but one made by man.

The dispensationalists need to realize that the fig tree parable does NOT refer to modern Israel.


86 posted on 09/30/2005 8:20:50 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (ISLAM. The religion of the criminally insane.)
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