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New Report on Vatican Gay Priests Document Said to be Gay Lobby “Rumor Mill”
Life Site ^ | 10/7/05

Posted on 10/07/2005 6:12:56 PM PDT by murphE

Catholic Insight publisher/editor says it is attempt to water down Vatican document

TORONTO, October 7, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A report widely circulated today from the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera claims the expected Vatican document on homosexuality and the priesthood says those who exhibit homosexual tendencies cannot be ordained unless they can show they have lived chastely for at least three years. This contradicts previous reports indicating the document would re-emphasize traditional norms against the ordination of even celibate men with homosexual tendencies.

According to the Italian daily, the upcoming Vatican document supposedly goes on to say that men who publicly show their homosexuality and those who reveal an attraction to the homosexual lifestyle and culture should also be excluded from the priesthood.

Father Alphonse de Valk, a Toronto Basilian order priest, historian, and publisher of Catholic Insight magazine told LifeSiteNews.com this latest report is “all a rumor mill.” He expanded, “the pro-homosexual lobby within the Catholic Church is participating in a rumor mill with the hope they can water down a document which rejects a homosexual condition as not suitable for the priesthood.”

De valk indicated the Corriere della Sera report did not appear to make sense since it would be a rejection of Church discipline on the issue since well before the latest 1961 Instruction that clearly stated homosexuals should be barred from the priesthood.

“It has always been the policy of the Church”, said de Valk, “that homosexuals should not be ordained. Not only since 1961. ‘Particular friendships’ was something that was abhorred in all the spiritual direction books of the 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. They called it ‘particular friendships’ by which they meant homosexual. It was to be warned against.”

Fr de Valk has followed the homosexual issue for many years, has written numerous articles on it and sounded the alarm over 20 years ago about the advancement of a homosexual agenda within the Church and in general society.

See Catholic Insight Article by Fr. deValk Clergy scandals summarized http://catholicinsight.com/online/political/homose...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; homosexualagenda; vatican
Father Alphonse de Valk, a Toronto Basilian order priest, historian, and publisher of Catholic Insight magazine told LifeSiteNews.com this latest report is “all a rumor mill.” He expanded, “the pro-homosexual lobby within the Catholic Church is participating in a rumor mill with the hope they can water down a document which rejects a homosexual condition as not suitable for the priesthood.
1 posted on 10/07/2005 6:13:00 PM PDT by murphE
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To: little jeremiah

I read of your disappointment on the other thread. Here is some hope.


2 posted on 10/07/2005 6:22:07 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE; xzins; Gamecock; HarleyD; topcat54; Alex Murphy; Frumanchu; zeeba neighba


How did "never" and "no homosexual" turn into "just swell after a three-year waiting period"?

Did they think we'd forget what they said a few short weeks ago?


3 posted on 10/07/2005 6:22:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: murphE

Disinfo at its finest.


4 posted on 10/07/2005 6:24:36 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: murphE; DirtyHarryY2K

Thanks you VERY much. I just walked in the door and as usual am checking out FR - will ping the list later, unless Harry gets to it first!


5 posted on 10/07/2005 6:27:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
He expanded, “the pro-homosexual lobby within the Catholic Church is participating in a rumor mill with the hope they can water down a document which rejects a homosexual condition as not suitable for the priesthood.”

This Valk guy, at least, is saying that any changes are only a rumor started by those who are pro-gay.

If this pope doesn't back down, perhaps someone should worry about a reprise of the quick JohnPaul I demise.

6 posted on 10/07/2005 6:52:58 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

The first I heard about this dismal revision was moments ago on the MSM which stated it as fact.

Something to watch.


7 posted on 10/07/2005 7:00:34 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

BTTT


8 posted on 10/07/2005 9:57:50 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Good news! Apparently that article earlier stating that the Vatican would not really screen out homosexuals was WRONG! Read the above and ease your mind.

Freepmail me AND DirtyHarryY2K if you want on/off this pinglist.

[Big ol' Whew! Wipes forehead with back of hand.]


9 posted on 10/07/2005 10:58:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: murphE; little jeremiah
A report widely circulated today from the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera claims the expected Vatican document on homosexuality and the priesthood says those who exhibit homosexual tendencies cannot be ordained unless they can show they have lived chastely for at least three years.

Wait a minute. I thought that chastity was a prereq for a priest. Even heterosexuals have to be chaste...was there EVER another standard for homosexuals?

10 posted on 10/07/2005 11:01:47 PM PDT by andie74 (Proud of my white trash heritage)
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To: andie74

Here's a link to the article being referred to:

No ban on gays expected in Vatican document; will advise 'prudential judgement'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1498416/posts

It's pretty clear in the article what the writer means - that even if a man has homosexual attractions or previous behaviors, as long as he's been chaste for 3 years he can be a priest. But - fortunately - it looks as though it's only a rumor! If you read the other article it'll all be clear, and you'll be happy like me and others on this thread!


11 posted on 10/07/2005 11:26:24 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: little jeremiah

It's all becoming quite clear. Thanks for the link.


12 posted on 10/07/2005 11:29:59 PM PDT by andie74 (Let's put the 'ham' back in Mohammed.)
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To: andie74

Looks clear, and looks good!


13 posted on 10/07/2005 11:39:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: murphE; saradippity
knew it!

Thanks for sharing this!

14 posted on 10/08/2005 12:45:58 AM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big".....Jerry Fletcher)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I just read it reported as fact in my local (NYT) paper. I honestly can't see how the Vatican could do something like this, though, so I'm trying to stay calm!


15 posted on 10/08/2005 3:40:05 AM PDT by livius
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"How did "never" and "no homosexual" turn into "just swell after a three-year waiting period"?"

The entrenched "gay" crowd lobbied. How else is sound biblical doctrine built but by politics.

16 posted on 10/08/2005 4:02:49 AM PDT by HarleyD ("...and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48)
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To: murphE
The report in Corriere della Serra made no sense to me. How do you demonstrate that you've been chaste for three years? Pass through an anal semen detector? Take a polygraph test? The latter is the only method which I can think of and aside from this, it is a totally unmeasureable standard. You can say you've been chaste for three years.....but demonstrate it.......I don't think so.

For the Vatican to acquiesce to such a standard would be to effectively give the green light to homosexual ordination. The barrier to homosexual ordination would be essentially non-existent in the face of this non-quantifiable standard and would depend on nothing more than the seminarian's word.

I'd like to know where the Corriere della Serra report originated. If they traced it back to its source I'm sure we'd find a big, pink Vatican prelate.

17 posted on 10/08/2005 6:32:27 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
If they traced it back to its source I'm sure we'd find a big, pink Vatican prelate.

LOL! That's what I'm thinking, too. Or maybe a big pink Jesuit, because the Tablet has been busy exulting over this.

I can't see what good it would do them to spread misinformation, though. After all, if it's not true, then that will be revealed soon enough. On the other hand, I suppose they might want to confuse the issue so much that the document - if it genuinely does try to root out the homosexual culture in the Church - will be unenforceable or at least more difficult to enforce.

18 posted on 10/08/2005 6:36:31 AM PDT by livius
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To: murphE

This is EXACTLY what I took those previous articles to be. Lavendar wishful thinking. No surprise that the National antiCatholic Distorter and their Vatican "insider" John Allen were so quick to pick it up.


19 posted on 10/08/2005 7:02:21 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: marshmallow
I'd like to know where the Corriere della Serra report originated. If they traced it back to its source I'm sure we'd find a big, pink Vatican prelate.

And one who violated the Vatican order to secrecy during the synod. Personally, I'm shocked that a lavendar would do such a thing! /sarc
20 posted on 10/08/2005 7:04:58 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: murphE

Well, finally, some clarity. I know the "pro-homosexual lobby" has an intense interest in harming the Catholic Church (one way or another, sure looks like it), but the recent rumor mill is pure grovelling.

I'll again pose this question: should people affiliated with this "lobby" even BE affiliated, much more so members of, the Priesthood? I can't perceive one reason why they should be, after reading this -- every effort to compromise about this issue ('gays as Preists') reduces the respect for Scripture.


23 posted on 10/08/2005 2:35:33 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: BIRDS
Well, eventually we will learn what is true and what is fiction.

I'll again pose this question: should people affiliated with this "lobby" even BE affiliated, much more so members of, the Priesthood?

No of course they should not be, but they already are in the priesthood and unfortunately in the episcopate. Pray for the pope, pray that he uses his authority. The enemies of truth surround him.

24 posted on 10/08/2005 6:19:39 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE

Yes, I am praying, and yes, agreed, the enemies of truth surround him. As with all people of faith, but the Pope...especially...needs all our prayers.


25 posted on 10/08/2005 7:07:55 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: murphE

Thanks for posting this.


26 posted on 10/10/2005 9:08:17 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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