Skip to comments.New Report on Vatican Gay Priests Document Said to be Gay Lobby “Rumor Mill”
Posted on 10/07/2005 6:12:56 PM PDT by murphE
Catholic Insight publisher/editor says it is attempt to water down Vatican document
TORONTO, October 7, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) A report widely circulated today from the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera claims the expected Vatican document on homosexuality and the priesthood says those who exhibit homosexual tendencies cannot be ordained unless they can show they have lived chastely for at least three years. This contradicts previous reports indicating the document would re-emphasize traditional norms against the ordination of even celibate men with homosexual tendencies.
According to the Italian daily, the upcoming Vatican document supposedly goes on to say that men who publicly show their homosexuality and those who reveal an attraction to the homosexual lifestyle and culture should also be excluded from the priesthood.
Father Alphonse de Valk, a Toronto Basilian order priest, historian, and publisher of Catholic Insight magazine told LifeSiteNews.com this latest report is all a rumor mill. He expanded, the pro-homosexual lobby within the Catholic Church is participating in a rumor mill with the hope they can water down a document which rejects a homosexual condition as not suitable for the priesthood.
De valk indicated the Corriere della Sera report did not appear to make sense since it would be a rejection of Church discipline on the issue since well before the latest 1961 Instruction that clearly stated homosexuals should be barred from the priesthood.
It has always been the policy of the Church, said de Valk, that homosexuals should not be ordained. Not only since 1961. Particular friendships was something that was abhorred in all the spiritual direction books of the 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. They called it particular friendships by which they meant homosexual. It was to be warned against.
Fr de Valk has followed the homosexual issue for many years, has written numerous articles on it and sounded the alarm over 20 years ago about the advancement of a homosexual agenda within the Church and in general society.
See Catholic Insight Article by Fr. deValk Clergy scandals summarized http://catholicinsight.com/online/political/homose...
I read of your disappointment on the other thread. Here is some hope.
How did "never" and "no homosexual" turn into "just swell after a three-year waiting period"?
Did they think we'd forget what they said a few short weeks ago?
Disinfo at its finest.
Thanks you VERY much. I just walked in the door and as usual am checking out FR - will ping the list later, unless Harry gets to it first!
This Valk guy, at least, is saying that any changes are only a rumor started by those who are pro-gay.
If this pope doesn't back down, perhaps someone should worry about a reprise of the quick JohnPaul I demise.
The first I heard about this dismal revision was moments ago on the MSM which stated it as fact.
Something to watch.
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
Good news! Apparently that article earlier stating that the Vatican would not really screen out homosexuals was WRONG! Read the above and ease your mind.
Freepmail me AND DirtyHarryY2K if you want on/off this pinglist.
[Big ol' Whew! Wipes forehead with back of hand.]
Wait a minute. I thought that chastity was a prereq for a priest. Even heterosexuals have to be chaste...was there EVER another standard for homosexuals?
Here's a link to the article being referred to:
No ban on gays expected in Vatican document; will advise 'prudential judgement'
It's pretty clear in the article what the writer means - that even if a man has homosexual attractions or previous behaviors, as long as he's been chaste for 3 years he can be a priest. But - fortunately - it looks as though it's only a rumor! If you read the other article it'll all be clear, and you'll be happy like me and others on this thread!
It's all becoming quite clear. Thanks for the link.
Looks clear, and looks good!
Thanks for sharing this!
I just read it reported as fact in my local (NYT) paper. I honestly can't see how the Vatican could do something like this, though, so I'm trying to stay calm!
The entrenched "gay" crowd lobbied. How else is sound biblical doctrine built but by politics.
For the Vatican to acquiesce to such a standard would be to effectively give the green light to homosexual ordination. The barrier to homosexual ordination would be essentially non-existent in the face of this non-quantifiable standard and would depend on nothing more than the seminarian's word.
I'd like to know where the Corriere della Serra report originated. If they traced it back to its source I'm sure we'd find a big, pink Vatican prelate.
LOL! That's what I'm thinking, too. Or maybe a big pink Jesuit, because the Tablet has been busy exulting over this.
I can't see what good it would do them to spread misinformation, though. After all, if it's not true, then that will be revealed soon enough. On the other hand, I suppose they might want to confuse the issue so much that the document - if it genuinely does try to root out the homosexual culture in the Church - will be unenforceable or at least more difficult to enforce.
This is EXACTLY what I took those previous articles to be. Lavendar wishful thinking. No surprise that the National antiCatholic Distorter and their Vatican "insider" John Allen were so quick to pick it up.
Well, finally, some clarity. I know the "pro-homosexual lobby" has an intense interest in harming the Catholic Church (one way or another, sure looks like it), but the recent rumor mill is pure grovelling.
I'll again pose this question: should people affiliated with this "lobby" even BE affiliated, much more so members of, the Priesthood? I can't perceive one reason why they should be, after reading this -- every effort to compromise about this issue ('gays as Preists') reduces the respect for Scripture.
I'll again pose this question: should people affiliated with this "lobby" even BE affiliated, much more so members of, the Priesthood?
No of course they should not be, but they already are in the priesthood and unfortunately in the episcopate. Pray for the pope, pray that he uses his authority. The enemies of truth surround him.
Yes, I am praying, and yes, agreed, the enemies of truth surround him. As with all people of faith, but the Pope...especially...needs all our prayers.
Thanks for posting this.