Posted on 11/14/2005 6:24:28 PM PST by null and void
Placemark.
To: null and voidonce out...why would anyone want back in to the religion that worships Xemu or Xenu or whatever?
my take on this cult is that it is EST with aliens...(or is EST, scientology without Aliens)
I do love the south park take on it called “Trapped in the Closet” (seems Tom Cruise wont come out...)
97 posted on Fri May 9 12:17:12 2014 by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)To: VaqueroFirst off, scientology doesn't worship Xemu, or Xenu, both spellings are used.Xemu is regarded as an ancient Pol Pot/Hitler/Genghis Khan ultimate bad guy. One who has so badly bruised the human psyche that the damage done 75 million years ago still lingers to this day, and makes life on Earth a living Bedlam.
Second off, the data regarding Xemu are only found on OT-III and above. This data is NEVER EVER EVER discussed or disclosed to anyone on the lower levels. Scientology dogma says that the mere mention of this to someone not fully prepared by having worked their way up through the lower levels will cause the recipient to die (of restimulation caused pneumonia, for example).
Despite the second point, even beginning scientologists know that the world is a loony bin, and that through some process scientology offers the (only) hope of adding some sanity, both personal and societal, to the mix.
If one believes that, then one is very motivated to be a part of saving the world.
Also, I too liked that South Park episode, everything they say scientologists believe is true of any scientologists who have been exposed to OT-III and above only. They did leave out some of the more interesting details, the ones that make scientology actively dangerous to the environment...
See also:
98 posted on Fri May 9 12:54:47 2014 by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
“Going Clear” thread bump.
Based on what Hubbard himself said; "You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.".
And what he wrote that is included in OTIII about the history and story of Xenu.... How could anyone not see the dichotomy of Scientology and its origin and then take that stuff seriously and sign on?
Or is the whole thing made for people who never read any of that and never were exposed to it until they were WELL within the program?
No, not really. I’m not into science fiction writings or dangerous cults.
You don’t know what you’re missing!
Well, if there’s hot alien babes, let me know.
Yes. OT-III and above material is NEVER discussed with anyone who hasn’t actually done the level.
Scientology dogma says that prematurely exposing someone to these materials before they’ve been ‘toughened up’ by doing the lower levels first can have lethal consequences.
By the time one gets to this level one has invested so much time, effort, money and devotion, one is not apt to repudiate all that.
This is a very human reaction, as the saying goes, science advances one funeral at a time...
"...science advances one funeral at a time."
Max Planck.
MSCOHB!
First I’ve seen of this thread, Nully. Wish I’d known about it earlier, even though you posted it before my ‘born on’ date.
Maybe I can get on the cans and recall it from my past life ;-)
Melbourne College of Hair and Beauty?
He is. I've stood next to both of them many times.
Hubbard was being treated with Coumadin, a medical trade name for Warfarin, a rat poison that kills rats by interfering with blood clotting, with enough Warfarin on board a rat will beed out from a minor cut or bruise.
Hubbard died of cerebral hemorrhage.
California law requires an autopsy whenever anyone dies outside a hospital, but a provision that it can be waived if they die under the care of a physician.
There was no autopsy.
He was promptly cremated, according to Scientology practice (curiously enough, neither I nor any of my SCN friends had ever heard of this before he died).
I am NOT saying Dr Denk poisoned him. Any number of aids had access to Hubbard's medical chest. And Dr Denk often had his medical assistant administer injections and do blood draws.
I AM saying that someone in Hubbard's circle had Motive (total control over billions of dollars and 100's of thousands of devoted followers) had Opportunity (unlimited access to Hubbard) and had Means (access to his medicines and trust to inject them).
Que Bono? Who benefitted from his demise? Hmmmm?
People have been murdered for pocket change, let alone billion$ and massive amounts of raw power.
Was Hubbard?
Dr Denk also pasted under circumstances that weren't clear to me a bit later (I don't remember when, but I believe it was within the year, if not within a few months). Makes ya go hmmmmm?
No one on the lower levels knows anything about OTIII.
By the time one gets to OTIII they have so much invested, and not just in money!, and they have bought in to so many slightly more and more odd stuff, it’s easy to keep going along with the program.
MSCOHB = Micavige Sucks **** On Hollywood Boulevard
It's a play on an acronym Micavige used to write into comms he sent to his juniors - "YSCOHB!"
Scientology wouldn’t pull its ‘Chase Wave’ scam on military veterans, would it?
In April we told you about a recent defector from Scientology named Adam Pires who said he could corroborate our claim that SNL’s Chloe Fineman was a longtime and dedicated Scientologist: While he was in, he had done the “purif” (Scientology’s quack “Purification Rundown” involving massive intake of vitamins and days and days in a sauna) with Fineman.
And he got to know her well enough personally that he ended up buying her car.
Since we wrote that story, Chloe Fineman became a full cast member at Saturday Night Live, and her star continues to rise.
Adam, meanwhile, also had an update for us.
After he saw our story on the “Chase Wave,” he wanted us to know that something very similar happened to him.
“I can tell you I was definitely a part of that, however not through Chase. They were also doing this with Navy Federal as well,” he says.
If you remember, we posted a document sent in by a new source who said it was a step-by-step instruction sheet that Scientology’s “registrars” were given, explaining to them how to lie to Chase credit card operators in order to open up new credit card accounts for cash-poor Scientology members, and then max out those cards with Scientology charges in order to saddle members with huge debts. The “Chase Wave” involved opening up a series of different Chase cards in order to obtain a huge zero-interest credit limit. Scientology was the beneficiary, and our source said the scam was literally bankrupting Scientologists and had led to Chase blacklisting the church.
After we posted that document, two former Scientologists who recently left the organization, Mark Fladd and George McAlpine, both came forward on the record, using their full names, and said they had been subjected to the Chase Wave (Fladd) and witnessed the Chase blacklisting (McAlpine).
Now, yet another recent defector is willing to put his name forward and confirm that he was subjected to a similar credit card scheme while a member of Scientology.
“Once they figured out I had Navy Federal and good credit, they pressured me in a very unfair way to max out my credit card and take a personal loan that I am now defaulted on, as I went way over my debt to income ratio,” Adam says.
Hang on, we said. They were doing the Chase Wave to you on your Navy Federal card?
Navy Federal is the largest credit union in the country, serving some 10 million veterans and their families.
“After they found out at the Celebrity Centre that I could refer a friend to Navy Fed, they had me refer a few people so they could open accounts, even though they weren’t active duty, vets, or a family member. And they weren’t really my ‘friends.’ They were just people I knew in passing at the Org. My roommate was also involved with this, and he was a part of the Chase scam they were running. It had something to do with transferring your debt around to maintain a zero-interest account. It sounded really sketch to me,” he says. “Also, once the Celebrity Centre started doing it, the other orgs started doing it with Navy Federal. They would go out and find who was a veteran or just had an account with Navy Fed and get them to refer other Scientologists as ‘friends’.”
Stunned, we asked Adam to be extra clear on this. Scientology knew he was a veteran, that his credit union was for veterans, and they ran the same kind of credit scheme on him that they did in the “Chase Wave” we saw described in the document?
“They definitely knew I had a Navy Federal account as I told my reg Eric that I banked with Navy Fed. I had told him how they upped my credit card limit, which they considered a ‘win,’ a testament of Scientology financial tech,” he says. “They knew pretty much everything about me besides my Social Security number. I referred at least three people that I can specifically recall that got personal loans. I took out $16,000 in a personal loan and maxed out my credit card at $7,000. The church was very aware of my Navy service, as the Sea Org members would often mention Ron was in the Navy as a way to relate to me. With that being said, I’m sure they knew they were piling on a huge load of debt to a veteran. I didn’t realize until afterwards how duped I was.”
Adam says that one of the ways they pressured him into putting so much money into Scientology services he would never use was by hammering him about their 2 pm Thursday deadline.
“They kept trying to ‘TR’ me by repeating, ‘Can we confirm you will do the $2,500 before Thursday at 2pm?’” In that case, he says, they were pressuring him to pay for either a “Happiness Rundown” at the Los Angeles org, or the “Cause Resurgence Rundown” (running around a lighted pole) at the Flag building in Clearwater, Florida. When he hesitated, a supervisor called him, accusing him of “backing out” after making a promise.
“She called me a chicken. Yes, she actually resorted to calling me a chicken. Then she yells at me saying she wasn’t going to have a dishonest public at her org. At this point I’m getting scared that they are going to try to turn this into a ‘Comm Ev’ and have me declared. So I cave in and tell them I’ll come in after work. Basically they pressured me until 1 in the morning until I caved and took out the huge personal loan and maxed the credit card,” he says. “During this personal loan process in the reg office they discovered I could refer friends. The Navy Fed thing was just one of many creative ways the reges would try to find money. And of course the reges of one org talk to another and that’s how these scams develop in a region or Scientology wide.”
Hey FBI, are you listening?
here is the link to this article on the site: https://tonyortega.org/2021/12/03/scientology-wouldnt-pull-its-chase-wave-scam-on-military-veterans-would-it/
here is a link to my other post on the “vetscor” message board with all the replies: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-vetscor/4017898/posts
Enjoy!
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