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1 posted on 12/02/2005 7:59:09 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/02/2005 8:01:29 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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Another situation crying out for top-down action from Rome.


3 posted on 12/02/2005 8:24:30 AM PST by x5452
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bttt


4 posted on 12/02/2005 8:24:54 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
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DISGUSTING!


5 posted on 12/02/2005 8:29:05 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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Parents interviewed consistently reported that in personal meetings with Fr. Norbert, the Rector was not shy about calling them names such as "Pharisee" and "hypocrite."

I wonder if any of them had the presence of mind to respond with calling him "apostate" and "heretic".

6 posted on 12/02/2005 8:42:26 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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"Joe Murray, who identifies himself as the U.S. Convener of the Rainbow Sash Coalition..."

Should read: Covener. Out with the pagans!


7 posted on 12/02/2005 8:57:44 AM PST by side altar
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It's a tough situation because ---if you know anything about human nature--- institutions get really defensive in the face of critics, and religious institutions perhaps more than most, because of their strong sense of what I call "horizontal loyalty" (men and women in monastic houses tend to stick together vs. "outsiders" who "don't understand".)

So I think we should contact them, but I think we should also be very careful to recognize their subjectively good intentions, even if they are distorted. It's a delicate thing, but that opens the door to communication, I think. Something like this:

"I've been following the difficulties you've been experiencing a St. John the Baptist School concerning the inclusion of children whose parents are in scandalous living arrangements. I can fully appreciate your desire to serve the educational and spiritual needs of the children in question, while not acceding in the 'normalization' of objectively sinful situations.

I think you are to be applauded for your decision which was, as I understand it, to allow such children to be enrolled at St. John's, while requiring that the adoptive parents, who practice and advocate homosexuality, must not present themselves at school functions as a "couple."

In the Catholic classroom---- even in Kindergarten and the earliest grades ---- there are so many opportunities to emphasize God's plan for families based on the sacred union of a man and a woman for life. This is a crucial lesson which can be revisited again and again in a gentle and clear manner when teaching little children about a Creation-Centered Spirituality (Genesis), the Commandments, the Sacraments, the Virtues, the Beatitudes, and the Lives of the Saints.

All children, especially those who come from seriously disordered households, can benefit from this teaching, to which I am sure you and all your teachers are committed.

The parents who voiced strong concerns about the enrollment of these children have been wounded as much as anybody else in this situation, not least by being called "pharisees" and "hypocrites" -- stinging terms. Extend the hand of fellowship to them, too, since they, too, love the children and the Truth of the Faith.

OK, folks, here it is: how you can get in touch with these 'good fathers,' with your constructive suggestions on how to achieve Solomonic justice, avoid giving scandal, show sincere love for the children, and remain both Catholic and hetero-normative:

"Call the phone number to leave voice mail. Please keep in mind that most of us have no office or secretary, so messages left for us are usually not received until the evening or the following morning when we get a chance to go check such things."

St. Michael’s Abbey
19292 El Toro Road
Silverado, CA 92676 - 9710
Voice-mail system: (949) 858 - 0222
FAX: (949) 858 - 4583

Rt. Rev. Eugene Joseph Hayes, Abbot
Abbey: (949) 858-0222 ext 216 San Pedro: (310) 521-1930 ext 111

V. Rev. Hugh C. Barbour, Prior
Abbey: (949) 858-0222 ext 222

Rev. Stephen Mark Boyle, Rector of Generalate House in Rome
Rome: 011 39 [06] 571 766 224
Abbey voice mail: (949) 858-0222 ext 223

Rev. Martin Benzoni (the pastor quoted in article)
St. John the Baptist rectory: (714) 540-2214 ext *814
Abbey voice mail: (949) 858-0222 ext 321

Rev. Norbert Jeffrey Wood (the "school Rector" quoted)
St. John the Baptist rectory: (714) 540-2214 ext *820
Abbey: (949) 858-0222 ext 291 (Room 204)

8 posted on 12/02/2005 11:03:01 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (OK! OK! I've got it!)
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Will anyone on this thread actually mention Bill Donohue, head of the Catholic League? Probably not. Notice, in this article he is very careful to talk about opposition to homosexual marriage, but not civil unions. This is because he does not oppose civil unions, and has publicly stated he does not oppose them. He has been given th opportunity to deny his support for civil unions, but he never has. Notice this part of the article:

They noted that according to Pope John Paul II's 2003 "Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions Between Homosexual Persons," Catholics have a duty to oppose same-sex domestic partnerships, and refrain in every way from co-operating with or supporting such a lifestyle.

Bill Donohue is opposed to the teaching of the Church and John Paul II's teachings. I know I will be criticized for criticizing him, but I am only doing what Donohue claims to do. The fact is, he is just like those he attacks. Even if he only opposed Church teaching on one issue, he should not be in the positions he is. I was a support of the Catholic League and have nothing against Donohue, except that he is fighting against Church teaching.

12 posted on 12/02/2005 12:40:59 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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Jack Nixon agreed. He said his experience with Farina was similar. "In my book," he said, "that's an improper way of acting. It's a red-flag."

*Jack is dealing with a red fag. He ought to match his behavior to meet the threat staring him in the face.

21 posted on 12/02/2005 3:10:48 PM PST by bornacatholic
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Great God Almighty! Please Lord deliver us from this evil.
23 posted on 12/02/2005 3:58:14 PM PST by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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Wow, this is an amazing and heartbreaking story.


25 posted on 12/02/2005 6:28:39 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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Ai-ya! This is too much!


33 posted on 12/02/2005 7:48:11 PM PST by pray4liberty (http://www.tldm.org)
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In other words, the presence of the same-sex couple was not only ratified by the school administration; it became a cause célèbre.

The school was trying to be oh so tolerant. These were their 'token' homosexuals.

37 posted on 12/02/2005 10:43:28 PM PST by SuziQ
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What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms is none of your concern or business. Your kind makes it very hard for me to be tolerant, but tolerant I must be. You are using the Catholic church to cloak your hate. All of us see right through you. Honestly, it's just pure ignorance that creates this kind of hate and discrimination. You should be ashamed to actually call yourselves Christians. I think 'hate mongers' is a more accurate moniker."

That parent sounds like your typical liberal Catholic; can't imagine that anyone would have an adverse opinion from his or her most wonderful one. If someone disagrees, they must be hateful. The one thing this letter writer couldn't see was the irony in the statement about the privacy of the bedroom. This couple was flaunting their lifestyle; there was nothing private about it, and the school was celebrating it.

38 posted on 12/02/2005 10:49:04 PM PST by SuziQ
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bump with no comment


40 posted on 12/02/2005 11:31:51 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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"Nixon was concerned that the same-sex couple was going out of its way to be a visible presence at the school. "I object to children seeing this sort of thing," he said of the double fathers fetching their children together after school. "It's not a sexual issue so much as it is a political one," he emphasized. "It seems to me that these two had a political agenda to make [same-sex family arrangements] acceptable at a Catholic school."

Give the man a prize!

Another in a long list of articles detailing why parents should very carefully look at the schools they send their children to, with a view toward homeschooling them anyway.


43 posted on 12/03/2005 7:16:14 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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