Posted on 01/04/2006 12:56:05 PM PST by Salvation
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This is one of those ideas that makes a lightbulb go "on" in my head. Thanks for posting the article.
Including the nanosecond. Time is a part of Creation continuously held in existence by God - the Almighty Creator and Father.
Including the nanosecond. Time is a part of Creation continuously held in existence by God - the Almighty Creator and Father.
Which brings to mind two quotations (reconstructed imperfectly from my memory: Dame Julian of Norwich had a vision in which she saw God holding a single hickory nut. When she asked what that represented God said "this is all that I have made." Second quote, Karl Barth: "Time matters only to those who are going to die."
So many times my non-Catholic friends will ask me what we Catholics believe.
I've found that simply giving them a copy of the Nicene Creed gives a stellar overview of our Faith.
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CREDO IN unum Deum, Patrem omnipotentem, factorem coeli et terrae, visibilium omnium, et invisibilium.
Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum. Et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula. Deum de Deo, lumen de lumine, Deum verum de Deo vero. Genitum, non factum, consubstantialem Patri: per quem omnia facta sunt.
Qui propter nos homines, et propter nostram salutem descendit de coelis. Et incarnatus est de spiritu sancto ex Maria Virgine: et homo factus est. Crucifixus etiam pro nobis, sub Pontio Pilato passus, et sepultus est.
Et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas. Et ascendit in coelum: sedet ad dexteram Patris. Et iterum venturus est cum gloria, judicare vivos et mortuos: cujus regni non erit finis.
Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem: qui ex Patre Filioque procedit. Qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur: qui locutus est per prophetas.
Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam.
Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum.
Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum. + Et vitam venturi saeculi. Amen.
Aquinas also explains that the lover gives what he has to the beloved. The essence of God is Existence. God wills existence to each of us and to everything moment by moment because He loves us all intensely and unconditionally. Even Satan -- despite all his rebellion, God continues to gift him with existence, when He could cease willing him to be. As John says, God is Love.
**Time is a part of Creation continuously held in existence by God - the Almighty Creator and Father**
Absolutely!
Day and night, day and night, etc. etc. etc.
Agree!
Thanks, I was going to do that this morning, but ran out of time!
I've found that simply giving them a copy of the Nicene Creed gives a stellar overview of our Faith.
Actually nearly all traditional Protestants (& Eastern Orthodox too) believe the same creed(s). The Nicene and Apostles Creeds (with some minor differences in interpretation) are followed by all Christians.
Protestants tend to favor the older (and simpler) Apostles Creed (also known as the "Old Roman Creed"), but, we also say (on occasion) the same Nicene Creed repeated in Catholic churches weekly.
The Apostles Creed
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead and buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and siteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
*by which is understood to be the church universal, not just that led by the pontif in Rome.
There are differences between the two Creeds -- and they're important ones.
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty
Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
And his kingdom will have no end
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life,
Who proceeds from the Father (and the Son)
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy Catholic and apostolic Church
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
You were, sadly, compelled to notice to one and to all your disassociation from those holy priests within the Society of Saint Pius X -- less your love of Latin might cast you as supporting their holy calling.
Your caveat, "I'm not in the SSPX....", shamefully exposes the stains of sin heaped upon His Church by those least fit to shepherd the faithful.
Contrarily, they would share the Chair of Peter with Lucifer's evil in Vietnam and China, than pray with men devoted to uplifting and teaching the faithful of writings penned by Peter's successors -- minus the heresy proclaimed of the unholy four.
May Almighty God forgive our trespasses against His Will.
Correction of Post #18:
Your post silently affirms the utter collapse of Western Catholicism by the fraudulent defilers of Sacred Dogma over the last forty plus years.
You were, sadly, compelled to notice to one and to all your disassociation from those holy priests within the Society of Saint Pius X -- less your interest in Latin infer your support of their holy calling.
Your caveat, "I'm not in the SSPX....", shamefully exposes the stains of sin heaped upon His Church by those least fit to shepherd the faithful. Contrarily, they would share the Chair of Peter with Lucifer's evil in Vietnam and China, than pray with men devoted to uplifting and teaching the faithful of writings penned by Peter's successors -- but for the heresy of the unholy four.
May Almighty God forgive our trespasses against His Will.
Of course there are important differences, mainly in that the Nicene Creed is longer and more detailed...as it dealt with different heresies at a different time the "Hippoclytus Old Roman Creed" (the Apostles Creed).
My point is that ALL orthodox Christians, Catholic and Protestant affirm both these creeds. (Eastern Orthodox affirm them both too, with the exception of the 'filioque', "proceeds from the Father (and the Son)" clause, where they omit "the Son" part.
Some Protestants don't say them, or even acknowlege them, never-the-less, standard theology...of Baptists, Bible, (most) Pentacostals, Mennonites, besides Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodists and Lutherans etc. ALL affirm both the Apostles and the Nicene creeds.
I would go so far to say that any that do NOT have theology in accord with those creeds can rightly be catagorized as sub-Christian cults.
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