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Extra ecclesiam - Outside the Church there is no salvation.
Catholic Exchange ^ | Kevin Knight

Posted on 01/29/2006 5:25:55 AM PST by NYer

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* Kevin Knight lives in Aurora, CO, he is the webmaster of www.newadvent.org, the Catholic website which provides both Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologica and the Catholic Enciclopedia.

1 posted on 01/29/2006 5:25:57 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 01/29/2006 5:27:13 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
"OUTSIDE THE EARTH THERE IS NO LIFE"

How does he know this? This is a very weak and high-handed statement to make.

It would seem that all it would take to invalidate his entire argument would be to discover extraterrestrial life.

3 posted on 01/29/2006 5:36:53 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: NYer

Protestants have ALL the sacraments.


4 posted on 01/29/2006 5:51:37 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: NYer

When we walk into heaven, we are going to be surprised at who is- and isn't there.

Outside of Christ there is no salvation. If you are in Christ, by grace through faith, you are, by definition, the Church.


5 posted on 01/29/2006 5:55:04 AM PST by ovrtaxt ("I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."- Reagan)
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To: muawiyah

Protestants have no sacraments.


6 posted on 01/29/2006 5:56:53 AM PST by JohnRoss (We need a real conservative in 2008)
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To: NYer
Good thing we Christians have the Bible to give us the truth which promises salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, not "The Church".

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

7 posted on 01/29/2006 5:56:54 AM PST by UseYourHead (Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talking.)
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To: JohnRoss

You really need to get out more!


8 posted on 01/29/2006 5:57:47 AM PST by ovrtaxt ("I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."- Reagan)
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So what then of the righteous Jew? The righteous Muslim? The Hindu? The (gasp) righteous atheist?


9 posted on 01/29/2006 5:58:49 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: NYer

And here I was just defending the Catholic church.


10 posted on 01/29/2006 5:59:05 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: JohnRoss

Because you say so?


11 posted on 01/29/2006 5:59:37 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: JohnRoss
Dear JohnRoss,

Protestants can baptize, and the Church often recognizes their marriages.


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12 posted on 01/29/2006 5:59:54 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer

Well, I'm not outside the Church.

As I've asserted repeatedly (and Scripture bears out) Heaven will be populated by Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants who have believed and accepted Christ (and for my Calvinist friends, those who Christ has saved with no effort whatsoever on your part).

See y'all there!


13 posted on 01/29/2006 6:01:20 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: muawiyah
Protestants have ALL the sacraments.

Christ instituted 7 Sacraments. How many do you have in your church?

14 posted on 01/29/2006 6:03:49 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

They need to trust Jesus (or Yeshua) as their Messiah or Savior.

Now, a lot of that responsibility falls on the church (those who are already saved.) First, we need to proclaim the Gospel in the demonstration of the Spirit and power, not some theological head knowledge. Jesus called it the 'Gospel of the Kingdom'.

Then, we need to back it up with a sacrificial life of service. There are too many people giving lip service to God and not much else. No wonder it's not convincing.

And by the way, Jesus said He wasn't coming back until the whole world has heard this. (Matt 24:14)

It's not so much the unbeliever's fault as it is the church's. Now, once someone has made the decision to reject Jesus Christ, the responsibility falls upon his own head.


15 posted on 01/29/2006 6:05:39 AM PST by ovrtaxt ("I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."- Reagan)
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To: JohnRoss
I thought it was the other way around ~ that since the foundations of the Reformation that no priest in the old church was pure enough to administer a sacrament so Catholics were left without.

Isn't that the story?

16 posted on 01/29/2006 6:06:32 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: NYer

As many as are necessary ~ point being that Protestantism is far more complex than your understanding of it. (BTW, we have an awful lot of ex-Catholics wandering about the pews on Sunday, and they say they never noticed a real difference, theologically speaking that is.)


17 posted on 01/29/2006 6:08:35 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: NYer

Let's see, baptism, communion, confession, confirmation, holy orders, matrimony, annointing of the sick/dying. Yep, got 'em all.


18 posted on 01/29/2006 6:08:47 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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Unfortunately for Kevin Knight, he has been blinded by falsehoods and he has no comprehension of what the truth really is. All one has to is look through the New Testament to see that none of what he says is supported by scripture and in fact refute these ideas directly. Let's start with the most famous verse of all - John 3:16 'For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.' Funny, but there is no mention of a church in this verse as far as what one has to do to get to heaven - just faith in Jesus Christ.
19 posted on 01/29/2006 6:09:30 AM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: NYer

* Baptism
* Penance and Reconciliation (informally called Confession)
* Eucharist (informally called Communion)
* Confirmation (in Eastern Catholic Churches and the Orthodox Church, equivalent to chrismation)
* Holy Matrimony
* Holy Orders
* Anointing of the Sick (also called Extreme Unction)


We do all of these. We don't make big complicated ceremonies out of them, except for marriage, of course.

So, when you anoint the sick, do they ever get healed? They very often do in my church.

What about foot washing? You guys don't honor that command? What about baptism with the Holy Spirit and fire?


20 posted on 01/29/2006 6:09:52 AM PST by ovrtaxt ("I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."- Reagan)
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