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* Kevin Knight lives in Aurora, CO, he is the webmaster of www.newadvent.org, the Catholic website which provides both Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologica and the Catholic Enciclopedia.

1 posted on 01/29/2006 5:25:57 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 01/29/2006 5:27:13 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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"OUTSIDE THE EARTH THERE IS NO LIFE"

How does he know this? This is a very weak and high-handed statement to make.

It would seem that all it would take to invalidate his entire argument would be to discover extraterrestrial life.

3 posted on 01/29/2006 5:36:53 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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Protestants have ALL the sacraments.


4 posted on 01/29/2006 5:51:37 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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When we walk into heaven, we are going to be surprised at who is- and isn't there.

Outside of Christ there is no salvation. If you are in Christ, by grace through faith, you are, by definition, the Church.


5 posted on 01/29/2006 5:55:04 AM PST by ovrtaxt ("I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."- Reagan)
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Good thing we Christians have the Bible to give us the truth which promises salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, not "The Church".

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

7 posted on 01/29/2006 5:56:54 AM PST by UseYourHead (Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talking.)
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And here I was just defending the Catholic church.


10 posted on 01/29/2006 5:59:05 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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Well, I'm not outside the Church.

As I've asserted repeatedly (and Scripture bears out) Heaven will be populated by Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants who have believed and accepted Christ (and for my Calvinist friends, those who Christ has saved with no effort whatsoever on your part).

See y'all there!


13 posted on 01/29/2006 6:01:20 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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Unfortunately for Kevin Knight, he has been blinded by falsehoods and he has no comprehension of what the truth really is. All one has to is look through the New Testament to see that none of what he says is supported by scripture and in fact refute these ideas directly. Let's start with the most famous verse of all - John 3:16 'For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.' Funny, but there is no mention of a church in this verse as far as what one has to do to get to heaven - just faith in Jesus Christ.
19 posted on 01/29/2006 6:09:30 AM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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My initial response is LOL.


23 posted on 01/29/2006 6:13:04 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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Interesting apologetic. "Outside the Church there is no salvation>"

This certainly isn't a new idea and long pre-dates the Reformation. I didn't realize that it was dogma of the Roman Church, though. I think an excellent theological argument can be made for this proposition but I do think that its a bit presumptious. Orthodox theologians are of two minds about this. Theosis is found within The Church and as a Eucharistic and Liturgical people we are saved in and as members of the Eucharistic Community which is The Church. On the other hand, I suppose I can't see the purpose in denying the power of the Holy Spirit to go whither He will.


40 posted on 01/29/2006 6:31:30 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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Many of these catholic threads are interesting.

This one seems to inspire nothing but flame bait though.

Whats your point for posting it?


47 posted on 01/29/2006 6:46:35 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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If the printing press had existed in Moses' day, then books would have been included, along with idols and images, among the things that people should not worship in place of G*d himself.


52 posted on 01/29/2006 6:51:15 AM PST by Tax Government (Defeat the evil miscreant donkeys and their rhino lackeys.)
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Bumping to read later.


53 posted on 01/29/2006 6:53:20 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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This sounds a little bit like John Kerry could have written it.


57 posted on 01/29/2006 7:06:59 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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Outside the Church there is no salvation.

Indeed, that is a very hard saying; yet it is an article of Christian faith. And yet....

Right now I'm reading The Thought of Benedict XVI by Aiden Nichols, OP, a marvelous work. In it, the Dominican Fr. Nichols does remind us, however, that "...though universalism, the salvation of everyman, is not part of Christian faith, it is assuredly part of Christian hope."

May the Lord's will be done in all things, on earth and in heaven.

Thank you so much for posting this fine article, NYer!

78 posted on 01/29/2006 10:34:00 AM PST by betty boop (Often the deepest cause of suffering is the very absence of God. -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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Gee, I didn't expect anything controversial to arise on this thread :)


81 posted on 01/29/2006 10:40:04 AM PST by bornacatholic
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Pope John Paul II summed it up best:
"People are saved through the Church, they are saved in the Church,
but they always are saved by the grace of Christ.
. . . This is the authentic meaning of the well-known statement Outside the Church there is no salvation."

Isaiah 26:4 Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal.

b'shem Y'shua

86 posted on 01/29/2006 10:50:37 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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Pope Pius IX said: "By Faith it is to be firmly held that outside the Apostolic Roman Church none can achieve salvation.

This pope is wrong in this statement.

While I believe that there is no Christianity other than Church Christianity, I do not believe that the Roman Church is the sole place one finds Christianity on this earth.

94 posted on 01/29/2006 12:28:14 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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I swear that there will be 40 million idiots walk through the gates of heaven just to exclaim "why is this place so crowded?"


116 posted on 01/29/2006 1:54:36 PM PST by bad company (A foolproof plan fails to take in to account the Ingenuity of fools.)
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Outside the Church there is no salvation.

Wait a minute...I thought salvation was through Jesus Christ...the church does not save anyone. This is nuts.

126 posted on 01/29/2006 2:26:51 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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