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Cloning may help terrible prophecies come true: another Christ or antichrist
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Posted on 03/07/2006 9:34:16 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2

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So, what do you think about this article. Could they possibly clone Jesus, who in turn could become the anti-christ?
1 posted on 03/07/2006 9:34:19 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
You're citing PRAVDA as a source? What do The Onion and Scrappleface have to say on the matter?
2 posted on 03/07/2006 9:36:46 PM PST by decal (My name is "decal" and I approve this tagline)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I just finished a series of books based on this idea. Pretty entertaining reading up until the last bit. I'll try and find the title and author and post it later.


3 posted on 03/07/2006 9:38:12 PM PST by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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To: decal
"You're citing PRAVDA as a source?"

I found it very interesting that Pravda is even mentioning this in any article they put in their papers. But I thought this would be an interesting topic for discussion anyway, no matter who wrote it, after all cloning is very popular in these "last days".

4 posted on 03/07/2006 9:40:14 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

"So, what do you think about this article."

I say to the author of this article, forget the article! Write the novel before that OTHER guy does, and make much dinero!


5 posted on 03/07/2006 9:41:50 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: Uriah_lost
I think you might mean The Genesis Code, by John Case. An entertaining thriller about an attempt to clone the blood of Christ, as preserved in relics.
6 posted on 03/07/2006 9:43:50 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: Iam1ru1-2

First off this very strange. I have never heard of any cloning theory and the antichrist. I think they are reaching. However Its a curious Question. To be honest I have never thought out the whole "how the anti Christ comes into existance thing' out very much. My hunch is no. I think the Immaculate Conecption of the Virgin MAry would rule that possibility out. That combined with the fact that Christ precious blood is holy and in fact is consumned by hundred of millions each week also make me say no.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 9:44:28 PM PST by bayourant
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To: Iam1ru1-2
This was the plot of an episode of "The Outer Limits" when it was running on the cable channel Showtime. David Ogden Stiers played a scientist who had cloned DNA taken from the Shroud of Turin and implanted it in a female host. The result was a child who was telekenetic.

It was one of their better episodes.

8 posted on 03/07/2006 9:45:53 PM PST by Publius
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To: Uriah_lost
Found it:

In His Image (The Christ Clone Trilogy, Book 1)
by James BeauSeigneur
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0446531251/qid=1141796506/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-7332459-5899007?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

Can't really recommend it but YMMV. The premise that they harvest some viable DNA from the shroud of Turin is the start of many "suspension of disbelief" moments in the story.
9 posted on 03/07/2006 9:47:25 PM PST by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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To: Publius
"It was one of their better episodes."

ZOWIEEE! You mean the Russians took an "Outer Limits" episode and made current event article from it? I wish I had seen that episode. I like the Outer Limits. I like the modern Outer Limits even better.

10 posted on 03/07/2006 9:52:45 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: BlackVeil
In the trilogy I read I did find some of his ideas for getting easily identifiable signs of the Antichrist past the common man. The inclusion of some Scientology bits was particularly amusing.
11 posted on 03/07/2006 9:54:29 PM PST by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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To: bayourant
"However Its a curious Question."

What about the possibility that this "anti-christ" is actually an alien from outer space of super intelligence and fools the world into believing he is Jesus returning to the Earth to set up his mellenial kingdom?

12 posted on 03/07/2006 9:56:41 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I believe "The Outer Limits" episodes that were produced for Showtime are rerunning on the Sci-Fi Channel.


13 posted on 03/07/2006 9:57:42 PM PST by Publius
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Well according to standard Christian theology the antiChrist has a connection to the devil. Since the Devil is bound here on earth I am not sure how a apce alien could fit the bill.


14 posted on 03/07/2006 10:09:25 PM PST by bayourant
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"Since the Devil is bound here on earth I am not sure how a apce alien could fit the bill."

Well Satan was not originally from Earth either, and right now he's the "prince and power of the air" and is not bound to the Earth. That's why in Job he and his corrupted angelic host go to Heaven and talk to God when God asks Satan the question: "What do you think about my servant Job?"

Revelation 12:9

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

15 posted on 03/07/2006 10:22:59 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Uriah_lost

I loved the Christ Clone Trilogy. Even though the harvesting "live" DNA (that survived the transfiguration) part was a little, well, science fictionish, I thought it was cool how the author wove real events with the ficticious. Book Two had me throwing it across the floor (as a born-again Christian)with frustration, but Book Three was great! Plus I ordered them straight from the author, and he autographed them for me. I thought that was a nice touch.


16 posted on 03/07/2006 10:24:04 PM PST by Shelayne
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To: Iam1ru1-2

INteresting I have to go look at that passage again. I have always had the sense that Ged so of oked the visit to Heaven in that story. However the rebellion of Angels has already happened. The great war in Heaven is a past event. There will be no more rebellion in HEaven. All the rebelling angels were cast down to earth. So that would seem to say that there will not be a rebellious angel that been hanging out at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe waiting to show up to play the role of the anti christ.


17 posted on 03/07/2006 10:41:04 PM PST by bayourant
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To: Alamo-Girl; Angelas; Bellflower; Buggman; GregoTX; HiTech RedNeck; Carpe Cerevisi; ...
Shroud Ping list PING! - for article from Pravda (means "Truth" in Russian) which is somewhat far from the truth.

If you want on or off the Shroud of Turin Ping List, Freepmail me.


18 posted on 03/07/2006 11:17:23 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 03/07/2006 11:27:23 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Iam1ru1-2
This article is FULL of erroneous information. Some examples:

Famous chemist Alan Adler who studied samples of the shroud of Turin, the legendary burial cloth into which Jesus Christ was wrapped after crucifixion, made a sensational statement not long ago.

The researcher said there was blood on the shroud and it was shed by a man who died a violent death.

Let's see... Dr. Alan Adler DIED over five years ago, so he couldn't have made a "sensational statment not long ago."

In 1988, three laboratories from England, Switzerland and the US conducted a radiocarbon analysis and made a conclusion that the fabric of which the shroud was made was produced in the 14th century. In other words, the laboratories stated the shroud was a fake. And it was just recently that the erroneous conclusions were disproved. Russian researchers removed the cause of the doubts.

Russia's Doctor of chemistry Dmitry Kuznetsov conducted several experiments to persuade his colleagues that they were mistaken when determined the cloth dated back to the 14th century. He said the results of the radiocarbon analysis were distorted with excessive carbon that the fabric absorbed during a fire that the shroud had stood. He stated that in fact the shroud was older than traditionally believed and was at least 2,000 years old.

Uh, No. While the C-14 tests have been conclusively invalidated, Kuznetsov proved nothing of the kind... to distort the date by 1200 - 1300 years would require the addition of approximately 65% NEW carbon from 16th Century sources (the fire was in 1532) and that much Carbon Soot would be VERY obvious. The real reason the C-14 tests are invalid is because the tested piece included a 16th Century PATCH invisibly rewoven into original Shroud linen cloth... and yes, there was about 65% percent new material in that piece that was tested.

John the Baptist associated coming of an antichrist with the Number of the Beast: " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast : for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." It was for a long period of time that the rebus was a mystery for people. Some even believed a man would come with the Number of the Beast, 666, written on his head.

Who?! John the Baptist wrote Revelations???? Sheesh... Good Grief... to quote Charlie Brown...

20 posted on 03/07/2006 11:28:59 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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