Not sure but if there is one, look for the incontrovertible blood type evidence.- Shroud of Turin, Sudarium, Lanciano, et al - ALL of these blood samples are type AB.
LANCIANO
Posted on 03/22/2006 6:39:08 AM PST by NYer
Then there wouldn't be a 'miracle' story, would there?
Absolutely, Absolutely! I agree I think even I would go into a burning church to retrieve the Blessed Sacrament.
I only think, at least with me, that if I consumed the Blessed Sacrament which had been previously vomited, I would only do the same. And, I would not want that to happen to Our Lord - twice. Do you undestand where I am coming from?
Apparently you are not so queasy.
"What are we to learn from this one in Dallas?"
"To God all moments in time are present in their immediacy."
With apparitions there seems to be a follow-up regional/global tragedy incidence as if the focus was a special call to prayer....is there anything similar when Eucharistic Miracles occur?
"Perhaps that Lord does not appreciate being plopped into a glass of water to "dissolve" like a tablet of Alka-seltzer."
Perhaps a foretelling of deluge as well?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Another thing. I need to do more research, but I believe most Eucharistic miracles occur in the hands of the priest, or at least in the custody of the priest. I don't think we've ever had "miracles" after the Eucharist was desecrated, intentionally or not.
The story is odd.
Not sure but if there is one, look for the incontrovertible blood type evidence.- Shroud of Turin, Sudarium, Lanciano, et al - ALL of these blood samples are type AB.
Priests have gone into burning churches to prevent The Most Blessed Sacrament from being desecrated.Only people can commit sins of sacrilege (desecration), not inanimate objects such as a fire. Assuming an accidental fire in the Church burned through the tabernacle and consumed the consecrated hosts, there would be a corruption of the being of the accidents, at which point the body and blood (soul and divinity) of Christ would cease to be present sacramentally. Aquinas states it as follows:
I answer that, Corruption is "movement from being into non-being" (Aristotle, Phys. v). Now it has been stated (3) that the sacramental species retain the same being as they had before when the substance of the bread was present. Consequently, as the being of those accidents could be corrupted while the substance of the bread and wine was present, so likewise they can be corrupted now that the substance has passed away.Summa, III, 77 4.But such accidents could have been previously corrupted in two ways: in one way, of themselves; in another way, accidentally. They could be corrupted of themselves, as by alteration of the qualities, and increase or decrease of the quantity ...
An accident can be corrupted in another way, through the corruption of its subject, and in this way also they can be corrupted after consecration; for although the subject does not remain, still the being which they had in the subject does remain, which being is proper, and suited to the subject. And therefore such being can be corrupted by a contrary agent, as the substance of the bread or wine was subject to corruption, and, moreover, was not corrupted except by a preceding alteration regarding the accidents.
Nevertheless, a distinction must be made between each of the aforesaid corruptions; because, when the body and the blood of Christ succeed in this sacrament to the substance of the bread and wine, if there be such change on the part of the accidents as would not have sufficed for the corruption of the bread and wine, then the body and blood of Christ do not cease to be under this sacrament on account of such change ... But if the change be so great that the substance of the bread or wine would have been corrupted, then Christ's body and blood do not remain under this sacrament ...
Apparently, this has happened before.
The village of Blanot is situated in a long, narrow valley surrounded by picturesque mountains. Inconspicuous because of its location, it was nevertheless favored by God, who honored it with a Eucharistic miracle. The physical evidence of this event is still preserved in the church in which it occurred.
Before relating the miracle, it would be best to recall the manner in which Holy Communion was distributed in the 14th century (and in many places yet today). During Holy Mass, when the time approached for the distribution of Communion, the communicants would approach the altar railing which separated the body of the church from the sanctuary. Taking their places side by side along the length of the railing, they would kneel. At about the same time, two altar boys would approach the railing and take their places one at each end. Reaching down for a long linen cloth that hung the length of the railing on the side facing the sanctuary, each would take his end of the cloth and flip it over the top of the railing. The communicants would then place their hands beneath the cloth. The priest, holding the ciborium containing the consecrated Hosts, would approach one end of the railing and distribute the Hosts as he moved along its length. At the time of the miracle this was the way in which Holy Communion was received at Blanot.
The miracle occurred on Easter Sunday, March 31, 1331, at the first Mass of the day, which was offered by Hugues de la Baume, the vicar of Blanot. Because of the solemn occasion, two men of the parish named Thomas Caillot and Guyot Besson were also serving in addition to the altar boys. At Communion time the two men approached the altar railing, took their places at each end and turned the long cloth over the railing. The parishioners took their places, held their hands under the cloth and waited for the approach of the priest.
One of the last to receive was a woman named Jacquette, described as being the widow of Regnaut d'Effour. The priest placed the Host on her tongue, turned, and started walking toward the altar. It was then that both men and a few of the communicants saw the Host fall from the woman's mouth and land upon the cloth that covered her hands. As the priest was then placing the ciborium inside the tabernacle, Thomas Caillot approached the altar and informed him of the accident. The priest immediately left the altar and approached the railing; but instead of finding the Host, he saw a spot of blood the same size as the Host, which had apparently dissolved into blood.
When the Mass was completed, the priest took the cloth into the sacristy and placed the stained area in a basin filled with clear water. After washing the spot and scrubbing it with his fingers numerous times he found that, far from becoming smaller and lighter, it had actually become larger and much darker. On removing the cloth from the basin he was surprised to find that the water had turned bloody. The priest and his assistants were not only astonished, but also frightened, and exclaimed, "This is the Precious Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ!" The priest then took a knife and, after washing it, cut from the cloth the piece bearing the bloody imprint of the Host. This square piece of cloth was reverently placed in the tabernacle.
Fifteen days later, an official of the Archdiocese of Autun, Jean Jarossier, journeyed to Blanot to initiate an investigation. With him was the Cure' de Lucenay, a monsignor of Autun, and an apostolic notary. The interrogation of witnesses was conducted in the presence of Pierre Osnonout, the Cure' of Blanot. The results of this investigation were sent by Archbishop Pierre Bertrand to Pope John XXII, who pronounced a favorable verdict and accorded indulgences to those who would celebrate Mass in the parish church of Blanot. Copies of the documents are still kept in the City Hall of Blanot and are described as being in an ancient style which is difficult to read.
The Hosts that remained in the ciborium after the distribution of Holy Communion on that Easter Sunday were never used, and were carefully reserved in the tabernacle. The reason for this is not known, although one might speculate that the priest wished to avoid a possible repetition of the prodigy. In 1706 these Hosts, preserved in good condition after 375 years, were taken in a five-hour procession around the parish of Blanot in observance of the anniversary of the miracle. Taking part in the ceremony were many prelates and a great many people of the parish and the surrounding areas. At the conclusion of the procession, the silver ciborium holding the Hosts was returned to the golden box in which it was kept. This was carefully placed in the main tabernacle of the church.
For many years there were commemorative processions and special observances, but these were discontinued at the start of the French Revolution when violent fanatics were desecrating Catholic churches and taking objects of value.
On December 27, 1793, a group of revolutionaries entered the church and boldly opened the tabernacle. The bloodstained cloth, now encased in a crystal tube, was actually handled by one of them, but fortunately was rejected as being of little value. After this desecration of the church, the relic was entrusted to the safekeeping of a pious parishioner, Dominique Cortet. While it was in his home it was venerated and given all respect, yet despite this care, the tube was cracked on both the top and bottom. One of the injuries was caused by M. Lucotte, the Cure' of Blanot, who often kissed it and put it on the eyes of the faithful. The other end was accidentally cracked while it was hidden in the drawer of an armoire.
Following the Revolution, when peace was again restored, many persons were questioned about the authenticity of the cloth within the crystal tube. All agreed that it was the same one that had been kept in the church. After ecclesiastical officials were satisfied as to the relic's authenticity, it was solemnly returned to the church and placed in a box covered with velvet which, in turn, was placed within the tabernacle.
Sometime later a new crystal tube was designed for the relic. At either end are rings of gold and copper, with a cross surmounting the top. The tube, with the cloth clearly visible, is sealed and kept within a special ostensorium. This is adorned at its base with four enamel panels which depict events in the history of the relic.
Each year on Easter Monday, according to ancient custom, the relic is solemnly exposed in the church of Blanot.
Interesting, but somehow that hasn't stopped some priests from giving their lives in order to protect the Most Blessed Sacrament.
Protect it from what?
The article doesn't say that the priest did anything with the "vomit", whatever "vomit" may have been there (with the missing piece of Consecrated Host perhaps). It says he removed a Consecrated Host [that] "was nearly intact with only a small piece missing" from a trash can, put it in a glass of water and "forgot about it" - for about a month it seems.
44. If anyone vomits the Eucharist, the vomit is to be gathered up and disposed of in some decent place.
Ugh.
I just wonder what the Jack Chick crowd make of all this; has anyone ever read his classic The Death Cookie? If you want to get enraged and/or die laughing it is worth a read.
Me, I'm not Catholic so I'm not sure what to think. What's the standard for miracles like this?
I'm not sure what you're asking and I have no personal knowledge of how miracles are judged. I do believe the other documented miracles of this nature (some are linked to in posts above)and many of them have very compelling evidence. I am keeping an open mind with this story.
It seems that when something like this occurs and it turns out to be genuine, like NYer previously stated, the blood type is always AB, the same type that was on the Shroud.
Me, I'm not Catholic
Not yet anyway. ; )
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