Sterilization as Contraception

CERC ^ | 2005 | FR. WILLIAM SAUNDERS

[SouthernFreebird]

Since I'm the one responsible for carrying and raising the babies I have I believe I should have a say in when enough is enough.

By the time I had my 3rd my body wasn't able to carry him and I was in bed for 6 months to keep him alive. No way was I about to get pregnant again only to have to lose it.

My tubes were cut, tied and burnt and anything else they could do to em. ;)

[cyborg]

I'd say that's a valid medical reason. My mother was on bed rest also.

[ziggygrey]

Since I'm the one responsible for carrying and raising the babies I have I believe I should have a say in when enough is enough.

Most Catholics agree. Andrew Greeley discovered almost 40 years ago with his surveys that over 90% of American Catholics ignored Papal teachings on birth control. I doubt that's changed.

That's what happens when the clergy is celibate and doesn't experience the reality of marriage and kids.

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

Sterilization as Contraception

I don't know... the thought of putting my privates into a boiling pot of water to sterilize them just doesn't seem that enjoyable.

(/sarcasm)

[Coleus]

The Connection between Contraception and Abortion

Christianity and Birth Control

Be Good to Yourself - Don't Use Depo-Provera
Birth Control Pills and Young Women
Breast Cancer's Link to Abortion & the Pill

Contraceptive Imperialism versus Gospel of Life
Contraceptives and Informed Consent
Darwinism Has Failed
Envoy Magazine March '97 Random Access story: The Divine Physician

[Coleus]

ouch, it doesn't, yet it's better than putting them in an autoclave.

[Coleus]

My tubes were cut, tied and burnt and anything else they could do to em. ;) >>

I think they did enough.

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

Yep, two options that I'll pass on...

[Pyro7480]

That's what happens when the clergy is celibate and doesn't experience the reality of marriage and kids.

Yeah, sure. It was that way for 800 years before the 1960s. How come Catholics didn't contracept before then?

[muir_redwoods]

If you don't play the game you don't make the rules.

[Coleus]

I think God made the rules in Genesis.

[muir_redwoods]

"I think God made the rules in Genesis."

He said, "Be fruitful and multiply". The church added "without end"

[Coleus]

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it...". (Genesis 1:28)
"And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth." (Genesis 9:1)
"And you, be fruitful and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply on it." (Genesis 9:7)
"Take wives, and beget sons and daughters; and take wives for your sons, and give your daughters to husbands, that they may bear sons and daughters; that you may be increased there, and not diminished." (Jeremiah 29:6)
"For thus says the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he has established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else." (Isaiah 45:18)

Man cannot create life; no power on earth can guarantee the birth of a baby. The key to that decision is in the hands of God alone. He is the third Partner in the conception of every child. If you block or prevent that a couple is saying that they do not want God in their marriage.

[Tamar1973]

Man cannot create life; no power on earth can guarantee the birth of a baby. The key to that decision is in the hands of God alone. He is the third Partner in the conception of every child. If you block or prevent that a couple is saying that they do not want God in their marriage.

Spoken like a typical man who attends a church run by celibate men.

[Alex Murphy]

He said, "Be fruitful and multiply". The church added "without end"

Bingo. If I marry and have just one child, there - I've multiplied! What I want to know is why every last Catholic parent-wannabe isn't told to be in bed, copulating 24/7, to avoid wasting even one sperm cell.

[samiam1972]

I have a man doctor that gives me advice on periods, etc. He has never personally experienced menstruation. That doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about.

I'm thankful that priests are not married. Their lives are devoted to God, prayer and the parish. They don't have wives, in-laws, children, etc. to take them away from their work. Being a priest is a very demanding job.

It breaks my heart to see so many people shutting God out of creating life. God knows what is best for me. I don't pretend to think otherwise.

[samiam1972]

I highly recommend taking a Natural Family Planning class. You would soon realize how silly that statement is.

[Salvation]

Natural Family Planning

[Salvation]

                From the Catechism of the Catholic Church (click on the book for the link.)    

2399 The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).

 

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.