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Posted on 04/27/2006 6:55:52 PM PDT by Full Court
I think there's a big difference between the problem of modesty and trendiness.
Spiked hair, earrings and baggy pants are all trends that will either change or these kids will grow out of. It's part of being a teenager/young adult. Granted, most of them will regret the piercings and especially the tattoos later in life.
I was on the fringe end of the Jesus movement in the 70s. Hair down to my shoulders, jeans that had more patches than the original material. I grew out of it.
There are a lot of freaky looking kids that love Jesus. And he loves them.
I just looked. Thanks! The suits are perfect!
You're right. One thing we have been discussing recently in my hs group has been modest clothing and fashion. One of the biggest issues is the showing skin, and it's not whether you're wearing a dress or jeans.
The moms in the group desire to dress their children (daughters specifically) modestly in shirts that don't raise up (when you raise your arms) to show their bellies or more. They don't want their children wearing the hip-huggers that have come back into fashion because they, again, show their bellies (and backsides). The argument is that those types of pants would be ~okay~ if there were kids-sized shirts their children could wear that were long enough to cover the skin.
In our homeschool support group one can view a full spectrum of young adults. From the 'rocker' look to intense modesty to somewhere inbetween. The common bond of this particular group is Jesus Christ. They love Him and serve Him with whole hearts.
However, I have to admit I'm thankful my daughter is modest and wholesome in appearance and doesn't follow trends or extremes. She doesn't dress to entice but she doesn't cover up in mock shame either. Just wholesome. :o)
An issue I have is what some of the guys wear: low jeans with boxers showing, taking their shirts off to show lower abdomenal hair, etc. Some are of the belief that girls have no visual temptation challenges. Not true. Modesty goes both ways.
God punished most of those long haired Christians by making them bald.
I have more trouble with the idea that this guy appears to be spending an inordinate amount of time driving about looking at young people like that. "I'm just doing research for my article on modest dress." Um hmmmm.
There are an awful lot of people in The World dressed in suits and skirts committing horribly godless acts--just go to Washington, D.C. any day of the week, or the UN Building.
I can see that side too. It irks me to see guys wearing too large pants with the "plumber" look. In our larger metropolitan area you see that a lot. I think though, that in my immediate locality, it isn't as much of an issue for the males to dress modestly. For the most part, they already are.
There are those guys around here who dress vey *differently* but I would not necessarily classify that with being immodest.
The author of this editorial is looking at the whole thing from the "glass-half-empty" perspective. He should have just been pleasantly surprised at the modesty of the Mennonites, rather than upset at the other kids.
His whole mindset is too negative. There were probably many positive and pleasant moments at the gathering, and he came away obsessing over outer appearances.
Modesty is a good thing and should be encouraged by parents, but this level of pessimism is unhealthy.
The article says a lot more about the spiritual condition of the author than it does about the spiritual condition of those he so self-righteously condemns.
You know, the Catholic church holds to it's beliefs, and I don't go around calling you bigoted because you follow a set of beliefs.
Please do me the same favor.
I agree. He needs to get a life.
He considered the post bigoted. If he had said you are a bigot, post 40 would have been removed. Likewise, you can claim that the Catholic doctrine is bigoted, but a claim that another poster is a bigot would be removed.
I thank G-d that He is concerned with my inner most being instead of my outer shell. The problem with too many Christians is that they think they are better than non-Christians... this is based on what? But for the Blood of Jesus we would all be as sinful as non-believers. But He is our rightousness. In order to reach young people, you have to be approachable and able to relate to them on some level. I believe in modesty and decorum, there is a time a place for everthing, but just because I don't wear dresses down to my ankles and I like big flashy earrings, doesn't mean that G-d will reject me. I could have blue hair and a nose ring and G-d will accept me into heaven as long as I have accepted and worshipped through Jesus.
Amen.
"Well, unless you think Pope John Paul II is roasting in Hell, you won't get much out of Full Court's threads.
It's legalism on parade.
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I am pro-homeschooling, but not pro-bigot. I'd rather not be pinged to Full Court's legalistic threads in future if it's okay with you.
My problem here is that all I did was say to the poster who made those comments "You know, the Catholic church holds to it's beliefs, and I don't go around calling you bigoted because you follow a set of beliefs.
Please do me the same favor."
Is there something wrong with what I said?
As I said before in a post which was removed, I like rules. But I like it best when they apply to everyone across the board.
What ever you reach them with will be whatever you win them to.
Actually He is concerned with both.
1 Timothy 2:9 ¶In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel...
Isn't that wonderful?
The problem with too many Christians is that they think they are better than non-Christians... this is based on what?
I do not believe Pastor Kidd was saying the christians are "better" than anyone else. He is saying that christians should have a different standard of dress and modesty than the world.
doesn't mean that G-d will reject me. I could have blue hair and a nose ring and G-d will accept me into heaven as long as I have accepted and worshipped through Jesus.
His point is not that dressing a certain way makes one a Christian, a born again believer. His point is about not dressing our children in sexual manners, or emulating the world in sensual dress.
Two different subjects, salvation, and how one acts and or dresses after salvation.
I don't believe he is addressing salvation, how to be saved or if clothing makes you somehow holy. :-)
This pastor believes in salvation by grace through faith alone.
He does not believe that any system of works or sacraments (legalism) can earn one a place in Heaven.
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