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Heaven and hell seem to be forgotten
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| 06/16/2006
| Richard N. Ostling
Posted on 06/21/2006 8:03:30 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: Iscool
DON'T FALL FOR THIS LIE...It will send you straight to Hell... God has spoken! Hallelujah!
To: Iscool
I'm sure there are many saved Christians that attend Catholic churches...Why they would stay there is a mystery to me, tho... Oh, well thank goodness at least you're sure. Thank you for putting my feeble mind at ease.
To: Between the Lines
Paul is dead. I am the walrus. :-)
To: Rutles4Ever
Oh, well thank goodness at least you're sure. Thank you for putting my feeble mind at ease.Not only that; I'm sure I'm going to Heaven...Can you say that for yourself???
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posted on
06/21/2006 11:48:48 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I spent MOST of my MONEY on cold beer and hot women...The REST, I just wasted ...)
To: stuartcr
Isn't a humans' moral sense and the supernatural, including heaven and hell, equally arrogant and unprovable....as these are relative to a person's belief.Everybody seems to want to make all of God's decisions for him. I guess if most on this thread can't feel like they have it all figured out they get nervous. :-)
To: Rutles4Ever
Salvation is only through the Catholic Church
Weird, my bible says:
1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
2 Thessalonians 2:13 - But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
2 Timothy 3:15 - and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 2:10 - For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings (of Jesus Christ).
It's not defined, but certainly a theological possibility, since it does not nullify the words of Pope Boniface that salvation comes through the Catholic Church.
I couldn't find Mr. Boniface in my bible.
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posted on
06/21/2006 11:53:48 AM PDT
by
Sopater
(Creatio Ex Nihilo)
To: Invincibly Ignorant
Trying to figure it all out, seems like such a waste of this great life that we've been given.
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posted on
06/21/2006 11:55:57 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
To: stuartcr
Trying to figure it all out, seems like such a waste of this great life that we've been given.I've been able to relax much more since I've ceased with efforts of trying to handle God's job for him. lol.
To: Invincibly Ignorant
Got that right, I don't mind at all, just going along for the ride.
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posted on
06/21/2006 12:02:09 PM PDT
by
stuartcr
(Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
To: Sopater
I couldn't find Mr. Boniface in my bible. I couldn't find the word "Bible", either. That must mean the canon is an arbitrary concoction of man.
To: Sopater
What's even funnier, is that God doesn't offer salvation through the Catholic Church, but He chose to offer the Bible through it. That's ironic, don't you think?
To: Iscool
Not only that; I'm sure I'm going to Heaven...Can you say that for yourself?? Strange. What do you make of this from Paul?
Philllipians 2:12
"Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation."
Let's see what Jesus thinks...
Matthew 7:21
"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."
Seems to me that just telling everyone you're saved isn't going to fly. What you do, however, will matter.
To: Sopater
"I couldn't find Mr. Boniface in my bible."
Neither will you find the word "Trinity"....but, nonetheless, you believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, don't you?
To: nmh
I did too. Couldn't take any more of the ramblings. However, I did not catch the incorrect backwards spelling of Heaven. This so-called prof. emeritus, is just out to make a name for himself. Thinks he's got the whole scenario all wrapped up in a package, and tied with a nice red bow...
To: Rutles4Ever
"Salvation is only through the Catholic Church"
LOL!
Salvation is through Jesus Christ, not the "Catholic church" or any other "church". In many "churches" Christ is NOT present nor the Holy Spirit.
John 3:14-19
[14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
I could NEVER be Catholic because it violates what God states. I elevate God's Word over the words of ANY fallible mortal or fallible "church". You've just provided an additional example of such a violation.
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posted on
06/21/2006 1:56:05 PM PDT
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
To: Markdb
"What ever happened to good old biblical truths....
John 14:6 I am the way the truth and the life and no man comes to the father but by me.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved
I'd say it's pretty simple and easy to understand that. Notice there were no references to the Pope or to people who just really love God. I don't know about you but I'll stick with the Bible, thank you very much."
EXACTLY!
It's as clear as the nose on their faces, yet they won't believe God. Again, I take the Word of God over ANY fallible mortal or "church".
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posted on
06/21/2006 1:57:49 PM PDT
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
To: Rutles4Ever
Matthew 7:21
"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."
Yes, indeed!
DO keep that statement in mind when you profess salvation is ONLY through the Catholic church.
When you read the Bible you will see the fallacy of believing the Catholic church is the way to salvation through works.
Eph. 2:8-9
8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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posted on
06/21/2006 2:00:24 PM PDT
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
To: Rutles4Ever
"God has spoken! Hallelujah!"
Yes, God was quoted here in Bible verses, if ONLY you'd heed what HE says. Perhaps your are of the kind entertained by your own foolish sarcasm? Never mind. I'm really not interested in pursuing that ... .
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posted on
06/21/2006 2:02:37 PM PDT
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
To: murphE
So I guess we Prots are really not 'separated brethren' after all.
To: dollars_for_dogma
Not if you are Episcopalian. Then you profess Mother, child, womb. ;-)
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posted on
06/21/2006 2:30:13 PM PDT
by
RobbyS
( CHIRHO)
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