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1 posted on 06/26/2006 11:48:57 AM PDT by FJ290
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I have to agree. Pop music, especially the insipid pieces that pass for sacred music stink.

It's just bad. Bad music. Bad lyrics that mangle the Psalms. Bad tempo. And my very pet peeve, the 1/2 key that the choirs are usually off.


42 posted on 06/26/2006 12:08:24 PM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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...but this cannot happen unless it follows the tradition of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphony," the pontiff said...
I know what polyphony is, but what is sacred polyphony?

Cordially,

45 posted on 06/26/2006 12:08:53 PM PDT by Diamond
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Shouldn't this thread be in Religion?


46 posted on 06/26/2006 12:09:03 PM PDT by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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Good he's right! : )


47 posted on 06/26/2006 12:09:23 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ann Coulter = The Conservative Diva)
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Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens.

Praise him for his acts of power; praise him for his surpassing greatness.

Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre, praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and flute, praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals. Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD. - Psalms 150:1-6

51 posted on 06/26/2006 12:10:26 PM PDT by xjcsa (Fight global climate stagnation!)
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mass is a meeting with God and to meet God sacred music is better than the turmoil of electric guitars, hand clapping and the husstle and bustle of disorderly sounds."

Ain't that the God's Honest Truth!

52 posted on 06/26/2006 12:10:30 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To each his own. At our Parish we have one traditional Mass on Saturday and four on Sunday, with a contemporary Mass for the teens on Sunday afternoon.

Everyone has a choice, the Church is full, everyone hears the Word and is inspired and strengthened for the week ahead. As no one is being forced to attend a Mass they are not comfortable with, I see this as a non-issue.

Just my opinion of course.

Best Regards

Sergio
57 posted on 06/26/2006 12:11:55 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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Amazing.

For the most part, I find it hard to stomach old church music.

To each his own.


61 posted on 06/26/2006 12:13:56 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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I absolutely hate the "modern" music at church. We go to the 8:00 A.M. mass simply to avoid the guitar hippies. I want to tell my brother Knights what I think about the music, but I cannot, as one of the other Knights is a guitar player in the "church band". They drive me nuts, and I can't really do anything to change the situation, as we are now getting a new priest.
66 posted on 06/26/2006 12:15:32 PM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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Pope Against Pop Music In Mass

I thought this was a two-part headline, informing us that the Pope hated soft drinks, and an announcement that the next service would have music in it.

Pope Against Pop. Music In Mass

What a difference a period makes.

67 posted on 06/26/2006 12:15:52 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate asshat Islamics with Scuds in their Volkswagen Minivans.)
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after the Second Vatican Council "making mass more popular and inviting could be understood." However, the cardinal added, "we exaggerated and now I believe it is legitimate to consider as over this season of breaks with tradition."

Wow...that goes for far more than just the music.

Hopefully we'll soon say goodbye to the dancing girls, say goodbye to the clapping and hand-holding, say goodbye to the clowns and costumes, and say goodbye to the likes of Mahony.

70 posted on 06/26/2006 12:17:29 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi; FJ290

"Be not afraid...
The Pope no longer wants your goofy music.
Come follow me...
It's time to give it a rest..."

http://www.mgilleland.com/music/moratorium.htm

75 posted on 06/26/2006 12:22:59 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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I believe it is legitimate to consider as over this season of breaks with tradition."

Pinch me, I must be dreaming. Is this for real?

Next up: crappy missalette "art."

80 posted on 06/26/2006 12:25:19 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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What I Saw at the Revolution (Trading a heritage of Worship Music for a lukewarm bowl of CCM)
93 posted on 06/26/2006 12:32:57 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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God bless Pope Benedict. Adios, Marty H.


99 posted on 06/26/2006 12:36:08 PM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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Most Catholic churches here have a number of services beteen saturday night and sunday evening. As a catholic usually worshiping at a Methodist church with family, I miss the flexibility of times of service. We have one service on sunday, miss it and you're out of luck.

However, given that most churches here have at least 5 masses on the weekend, can't they attempt to offer a worship style that appeals to all? The children's mass is geared to families with youngsters, the homily is different and folks are more tolerant of restless kids. The "high" mass uses all sung responses and more classical music and is slightly longer. Saturday evening is more casual. Some churches offer a mass in a non-english language; Spanish around here. And one near-by does a Latin service.

As long as the standards are being adhered to, I don't see the harm in offering different worship and service styles to reflect the diversity of the backgrounds of the congregation. Mexican catholics have a different style from Indian catholics and Irish catholics and even catholic converts from the protestant denominations. Older folks have diffenent expectations from younger folks. Even exactly following the order and rituals I think there is room for some differences.


111 posted on 06/26/2006 12:39:48 PM PDT by YankeeGirl
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And, of course, some people are trying to get away from kneeling.

But Benedict XVI is on to them. On the Theology of Kneeling written before he was pope:

http://www.adoremus.org/1102TheologyKneel.html

Opening paragraph:

There are groups, of no small influence, who are trying to talk us out of kneeling. "It doesn't suit our culture", they say (which culture?) "It's not right for a grown man to do this -- he should face God on his feet". Or again: "It's not appropriate for redeemed man -- he has been set free by Christ and doesn't need to kneel any more".

Another good line:

It may well be that kneeling is alien to modern culture -- insofar as it is a culture, for this culture has turned away from the faith and no longer knows the one before whom kneeling is the right, indeed the intrinsically necessary gesture.

Click link above for more.

I would say we should be looking for some more comments or 'suggestions' on kneeling for those we are capable.

115 posted on 06/26/2006 12:40:49 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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I think there is a place for both kinds of Masses.

We should remember that Gregorian chant was once new and innovative. And no doubt in the early church, there were old people who disapproved of the Latin Mass, and longed for the good old traditional Greek or Aramaic version of their childhoods.

There are many young families that are put off by Gregorian chant and the Tridentine Mass, but there are many people, old and young, who prefer the old ways. Parishes and dioceses should adapt.

Unfortunately, there are still a few too many bishops who fear they won't get invited to the right liberal parties any more if they don't denigrate the Tridentine Mass in favor of the happy-clappy rock-guitar version. May the Holy Father begin a quiet purge of them.

-ccm

117 posted on 06/26/2006 12:42:31 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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God bless the Pope!

Speaking of church music........on vacation one summer, I found myself in an ELCA (liberal Lutheran Synod). I'm Missouri Synod (conservative).

Peace and dove-type banners graced the altar area. Other features were goofy such as gender-neutral readings.

After the sermon, the scraggy guitar soloist played and sang the Lord's Prayer IN CALYPSO.

At that point, I quietly left.

Gimme that old-time religion, please. I get enough politics during the week.

Leni

119 posted on 06/26/2006 12:43:30 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Mi casa es su casa. Mi pais es su pais. Mi dinero es su dinero. Mi..............)
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My church (not catholic) plays a bit of both.

I really don't have a lot of feeling about this one way or the other, although it's true: there seems to be a lot of me me me in some of the contemporary music. Also, some of the contemporary worship is so repetitive that it nearly puts me to sleep. The most egregious example of this is a song called 'Let it Rain.' Any pentecostals/AoG in here should know this one. That song drives me up the wall.

In my spare time, I listen to purely Christian music for entertainment, but it's generally of the hard rock variety. Not something I'd reccomend for church, but definitely good music for a good time that doesn't fill your mind with crap.
131 posted on 06/26/2006 12:48:08 PM PDT by JamesP81
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