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Papal Nuncio Gives Communion to John Kerry - Likely Unintentional
LifeSite ^ | June 26, 2006

Posted on 06/26/2006 1:55:29 PM PDT by NYer

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To: kittymyrib

Actually, one of the ways the Church in Italy - and even in New York - has been dealing with the Mafia is to refuse burial rites for known Mafiosi. There was a big fuss about one of these a few years ago, in Brooklyn, if I recall correctly, when everybody howled that it wasn't fair to the Mafiosi's family to deny him a Catholic funeral. Tough.

The RCC actually excommunicates very few people, with or without money. A formal excommunication is a pretty rare thing. I think a few clergy who were out there preaching heresy (such as the awful former priest, Matthew Fox, who then became an Episcopalian) have been formally excommunicated, but otherwise people in a state of mortal sin are considered to have excommunicated themselves and are not supposed to go to Communion.

That said, I'd like to see a few more formal, public excommunications, because I think that is the only thing that is going to make any impression, either on the excommunicated parties themselves or on the public.


41 posted on 06/26/2006 7:10:30 PM PDT by livius
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Not to change the subject, but what's up with Kidman getting married in a Catholic church?


42 posted on 06/26/2006 7:14:24 PM PDT by Gamecock ("I would never hear that kind of bilge coming out of your mouths." xzins)
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To: Gamecock
Not to change the subject, but there's ALREADY a WHOLE FRIGGIN' THREAD devoted to that very topic.

LOOK IT UP!

43 posted on 06/26/2006 7:16:17 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

"And thank you! for pointing out that the John Kerry is the one culpable; not the Papal Nuncio. Thank you! The onus is on Kerry."

I don't know whether or not the Papal Nuncio knew that Kerry was excommunicated, and don't know the Church's rule on this kind of thing.

But one thing I DO know. Kerry was WRONG!




44 posted on 06/26/2006 7:16:39 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: NYer; kittymyrib
Prove it? Kitty should just retract it.

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

45 posted on 06/26/2006 7:18:17 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sun; NYer
Kerry's certainly in the wrong, here, along with Fat Ted and the rest of the apostate, formerly Catholic politicians.

By NOT formally kicking their sorry carcasses out, their respective bishops are allowing them to scandalise the public. I offer the reactions of various people on this very thread as evidence of this scandal.

46 posted on 06/26/2006 7:21:51 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

We still don't know if Papal Nuncio knew that Kerry was excommunicated.


47 posted on 06/26/2006 7:32:20 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; NYer
The prescriptive rules for capitalization are actually a little vague. Usually "Catholic" means "member of the Catholic Church" while "catholic" means "of a general scope: that is, universal, or comprehensive."

Since several separate and distinct denominations call themselves "Christian" ("The Christian Church [Penecostal]," "The Christian Church of North America," "The Christian Church [Disciples of Christ]" etc.) some writers use the small-c "christian" to mean a generic follower of Christ.

No offense meant.

BTW I remember once getting hoppin' mad at a publication which used the lower-case "m" for "mass" (as in the Catholic Liturgy) while using caps for such non-Christian terms as "Tet" and "Shinto" and "Bar Mitzvah." We never quite got that straightened out, but I was finally satisfied that the writer was doing it in--- shall we say --- subjective good faith. ;^)

48 posted on 06/26/2006 7:42:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mrs. Don-o. With a capital "D.")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Well, that certainly clears it up.

ROTFL! Does Papal Law have anything to say about what to do, if the Wafer is expulsed from the mouth (or launched out of the nose) as the result of a spit take??


49 posted on 06/26/2006 8:10:47 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: NYer; Mrs. Don-o

Because the word "Christian" is a derivative of the proper noun, Christ, it should always be capitalized.

Just like American, Roman and Martian.


50 posted on 06/26/2006 8:19:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: NYer
CNS also reported that Archbishop Wuerl shook hands with Senators Kerry and Ted Kennedy as he processed into the church.

I find this shaking hands business completely bizarre as well. Where did Archbishop Weurl think he was "processing" to, the altar of God for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass or a cocktail party? Is this common in the NO, do priests shake hands with people as they proceed to the altar before mass?

51 posted on 06/26/2006 8:30:39 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Dr. Eckleburg
Why are you screaming?

I'm traveling on official military duty and can't devote a lot of time to keeping up with every thread, real or imagined. This thread was on the top when I had a very limited minute to peek in.

Sorry that I offended you sensibilities.

52 posted on 06/26/2006 8:34:44 PM PDT by Gamecock ("God's sheep are brought home by the Holy Spirit, and there won't be one of them lost." L R Shelton)
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy
This should get us all back on track...

ANOTHER BRIDE

53 posted on 06/26/2006 8:50:17 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock
Here ya go. That took me all of two minutes ...

BTW, when I get 'deployed', I pretty much let FR go.

54 posted on 06/26/2006 9:00:44 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


55 posted on 06/26/2006 9:09:20 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
This should get us all back on track...

Wow! He's getting married for the first time at 81 years old? Amazing. Guess you could say that he waited until he was sure, LOL!

56 posted on 06/26/2006 9:22:08 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: Gamecock

Being that her first wedding was a Scientology wedding, I'm assuming that it was treated in the same way a Las Vegas wedding would be treated - meaning she was never married in the eyes of the Church because there was no sacramental wedding. Just a bunch of Thetans or whatever-the-hell they call themselves standing around taking inventory of themselves.


57 posted on 06/26/2006 9:25:18 PM PDT by cammie
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To: NYer
What the article didn't say was that Archbishop Sambi slipped this rather large piece of soap into Kerry's Mouth. Atta go Sambi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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58 posted on 06/26/2006 9:43:04 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Candor7

Please do not post potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.


59 posted on 06/26/2006 9:47:13 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: NYer

Kerry knows he shouldn't be receiving Communion, so he went to the line where it was likely that the priest wouldn't recognize him.


60 posted on 06/26/2006 9:51:58 PM PDT by SuziQ
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