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People, we have to look closely at people like Michael Jones (yes, may he rest in peace). Look at this extract.

"Several years ago I was visited by some good friends with a booklet in Croatian about some apparitions allegedly taking place at Medjugorje in Yugoslavia. They wished my wife, who is Croatian, to translate it. When I had been given a resume of the alleged messages I advised my wife not to waste a second of her time translating them as, in my opinion, they did not possess a vestige of credibility. I am glad to say that these friends now share my opinion."

He takes pride in having robbed his friends of hope. Worse, we can tell that he does not really care for their welfare, simply that "they now share MY opinion". He cares that people are listening to HIM.

What kind of man can conclude so many things in so ill-informed a manner and have the courage of his convictions to ignore the vatican's "wait-and-see" policy and step out on such a crusade. Maybe it was just bad timing for him because now most of his objections are quashed.

But damage is clearly evident. Atheists and unbelievers now have every excuse to steer away from religion because of the confusion and crap surrounding Medjugorje. Catholics are fighting catholics. This all sounds like Satan's wishlist. And I'm sorry to say, but certain people are being used as instruments for this cause of destroying Medjugorje.

So newbie, you just showed up here to defend the indefensible with these posts. Please try and get your facts correct for that is the basic problem with Medjugorje.

By the way the name is Michael Davies (RIP) not "michael jones." And no, Davies did not "take pride in having robbed his friends of hope." In charity and truth Davies put forward corroborated opinions regarding the veracity of Medjugorje claims. He did so with facts, not suppositions, and did without emotions and false trivialities.

Folks, there are serious issues in all of this, so become informed before promoting false claims that can truly dash hopes and even cause deep questions of belief in one's Faith.

I have done my best to read both sides of the issue from both detractors and promotors.

Your assessment of Sabato and especially of Kronzer is, in my opinion, correct.

If detractors are seeking the truth...they will not try to smear reputations for the sake of "debunking"
There are many misrepresentations in the work of Kronzer/Sabato.

The whole affair is much more complicated than either side would like to think, and that is why it is good to have this new investigation (and the previous one) in the hands of the Bosnian bishops.