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1 posted on 07/08/2006 9:23:41 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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2 posted on 07/08/2006 9:42:09 AM PDT by Carolina
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Protestants who forbid women clergy don't usually cite Jesus' choice of male apostles but rather 1 Timothy 2:12 ("I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent").

The Apostle Paul was not just casually mentioning his personal disapproval of women as pastors when he wrote that into holy scripture, he was instructing Timothy under divine inspiration on how God intends for his church leaders and overseers (pastors, bishops, etc) to organize and operate local church congregations.

That portion of scripture is primarily why we Baptists do not ordain women as pastors, and I would think that it is also a large part of the reason why the Catholic Church does not ordain women to the priesthood or the higher ranks of clergy. I hope that both churches stick to their biblical principles and do not cave in to feminist activism concerning this matter.

3 posted on 07/08/2006 10:00:51 AM PDT by epow (Life is tough, it's even tougher if you're a DUmmy. moonbat living in Mom's basement.)
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Gosh, where were these people? I read many reports about Cardinal Kasper's comments about the Anglicans ordaining women. It was all over the BBC and UK press and MSNBC carried a report about it.
6 posted on 07/08/2006 11:03:29 AM PDT by FJ290
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So the Church cites first timothy when it comes to reason why women can't be priests but it overlooks timothy when it says that priests should be married. Okie dokie.


9 posted on 07/08/2006 11:42:40 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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Anglicans cannot assume Catholicism will someday drop objections to female priests and bishops, Kasper said. "The Catholic Church is convinced that she has no right to do so."

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Hallelujah!


13 posted on 07/08/2006 12:30:38 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: WestTexasWend

Changing the laws of nature and God is abominable. Using the Lord's Love to make political statements undermines the Christian Church.

Lots of stuff women can do to further Christ's mission.


35 posted on 07/08/2006 1:06:04 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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No big deal. Most females ignore the Catholic Church anyway (except for the minority of women who are Catholic).

Not meant as an attack on the RCs, just a non-affiliate pointing out the obvious.

53 posted on 07/08/2006 1:38:36 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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The cardinal said women bishops should be elevated only after "overwhelming consensus" is reached with Catholicism and like-minded Eastern Orthodoxy.

Would someone please explain what is meant here? Is he saying that the Anglican church should not have women bishops until and unless the Roman Catholic church approves?

60 posted on 07/08/2006 2:01:08 PM PDT by Graymatter ("Put only Americans on guard tonight." -- George Washington)
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In May of 1994 John Paul II promulgated Ordinatio Sacerdotalis which declared definitely that the Catholic priesthood is reserved for males. That document nonetheless contained some language that was difficult to interpret. As a result, Cardinal Ratzinger made an official clarification (Responsum ad Dubium) in November of 1995, making it quite clear that the Church has taught infallibly on this matter.

Hence, the question of the priesthood in its relation to sexuality - a question usually posed more simply as "Why can there not be women priests?" - has now been answered in a definitive way. There is no longer any doubt that reserving Holy Orders to males is part of the deposit of faith. While Catholics are not to question the teaching of the Magisterium on this matter, the time is ripe for all interested to come to a deeper understanding and appreciation of the Church's teaching.

The documents themselves are not meant to provide such theological information for us. Although they contain and allude to theological arguments, they are not primarily meant as theological documents. The situation is similar to the role of Humanae Vitae, the 1968 encyclical on the regulation of birth. As Janet Smith has aptly noted, that encyclical was not meant to provide a full philosophical and theological rationale for the Church's position. Rather, it alluded to some of the central arguments, presuming that philosophers and theologians would flush them out.1 Similarly, Inter Insigniores (issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under Pope Paul VI in 1976), the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis and the Responsum ad Dubium exist not primarily as theological explanations, but as teaching documents making clear the Church's position, containing an implicit invitation to theologians to flush out the arguments. In this article I propose to present the argument from Sacred Tradition in favor of the male priesthood.

In considering that argument, we want to examine what Tradition says, the factual or empirical side of the question. This Tradition contains three aspects, as aptly summarized in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis no. 1 when it quotes a 1975 letter of Paul VI to the Archbishop of Canterbury: "the example recorded in the Sacred Scriptures of Christ choosing His Apostles only from among men; the constant practice of the Church, which has imitated Christ in choosing only men; and her living teaching authority [Magisterium] which has consistently held that the exclusion of women from the priesthood is in accordance with God's plan for his Church." Let us consider each of the three points.

The Male Priesthood: The Argument From Sacred Tradition

78 posted on 07/08/2006 2:44:40 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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Peter Kreeft has a very convincing argument against priestesses. The hour long lecture is found at:
http://www.peterkreeft.com/audio/09_priestesses.htm


201 posted on 07/08/2006 4:54:27 PM PDT by RockDoc
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234 posted on 07/08/2006 5:32:50 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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Casual Western onlookers might suppose Catholicism's stance is simple gender prejudice

While I guess I'm thankful that this assumption is apparently rebutted in this piece, I can't but question it to begin with. Why would "casual Western onlookers" suppose it's "gender prejudice?" Why would this oracle (AP) be making such a statement? Why on earth would the Church be engaging in "simple gender prejudice?" Why is such an assertion even part of the debate at all? It's akin to making the remark, "you might assume that medical professionals go home and do experiments on their children, but actually...." -- it is such a riduculous attempt at fabricating context; it is certainly not the sort of remark you'd be hearing from a rational person. From a paranoid and delusional one, perhaps, but not a "casual Western" one.

305 posted on 07/09/2006 4:38:28 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Rock on, my beautiful America!)
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There has never been a church that stayed faithful to Christ after they started ordaining women. Not one.


311 posted on 07/09/2006 6:14:30 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1440113/posts

"Churchmen on brink of exodus over women bishops"


357 posted on 07/10/2006 7:21:55 AM PDT by Graymatter ("Put only Americans on guard tonight." -- George Washington)
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