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Posted on 07/19/2006 10:40:38 AM PDT by Youngstown
I can understand why you are having trouble grasping the concept, as you are Catholic.
However, there are those of us who are Christian, but not Catholic, who believe that other Christians will go to heaven.
As for the rest of it, it shows only that one has to be a believer in God for admittance.
It doesn't PROMOTE "religious indifferentism and religious religious syncretism."
Rather, it show that it is inclusive of ALL who believe in God.
It IS a Fraternal organization, no matter what you think.
Thank you for your excellent post, bannie!
Bump!
Some of the greatest, most moral men I've ever known have been Masons.
:-)
You are having a problem with Freemasonry wanting it's membership to be good, moral people? WHY?
BTTT!
When all of these entities are considered to be religious bodies, then and only then, I might begin to entertain the idea that Masonry is a religion" junk.
Freemasonry has a comprehensive belief system combined with rituals. That by definition is a religion. Stop playing semantic games.
So what. If you are a Freemason. Big whoop.
Tolerance, give me a break. Mason love talking about tolerance, but they don't know the first thing about practicing it themselves.
Fine, free association is your right, and we have the same right. But we also have the right to resist the Masonic heresy.
Who is saying they hate anyone? So what if some of those men were Masons? Some of our founding fathers were Deists and several were agnostics. They were made up of a mix of men from various religious or non-religious beliefs.
Thomas Jefferson said to his nephew:
"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
In essence, whether they were Masons, agnostics, Deists, whatever, they were men with foibles and shortcomings as we all have.
John Adams - Spoke favorably of Freemasonry -- never joined
Huh?? Which John Adams are they talking about here because John Quincy Adams spoke out against the Masonson his father's behalf:
His son, John Quincy Adams, wrote, August 22, 1831 of him: “There was nothing in the Masonic Institution worthy of his seeking to be associated with it. So said at that time the Grand Master of Masons, Jeremy Gridley; and such have repeatedly heard my father say was the reason why he never joined the lodge. The use of the name of Washington, to give an odor of sanctity to the institution as it now stands exposed to the world, is in my opinion as unwarrantable as that of my father’s name.”
Moral and cultural relativism is what Freemasonry is all about.
Being a Conservative and a Freemason is a bit like being a Dittohead and a member of the Earth Liberation Front.
Oh please. EVIL fighting EVIL is still EVIL.
BTW Can I watch a 4th degree Knights of Columbus installation?
RE: "These oaths are also sworn under symbolic, blood-curdling penalties of physical torture and death called self-curses (e.g., having my throat cut across, and my tongue torn out by its roots). These penalties show a lack of respect for God and amount to blasphemy which is a serious sin."
Makes ya wonder if Salza is at all familiar with the Inquisition.
Is Jack Chick a freemason? :-)
Just floating a trial baloon. I wanted to see what would happen if I used Jack Chick and Freemasons in the same sentence. :-)
sign me up!
I have no problem with anyone promoting goodness and morality, it's the other issues that I have mentioned that is a problem. It is teaching religious indifferentism and religious syncretism.
It is totally incompatible with the Christian faith which teaches what the Lord Jesus Christ taught us, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life."
You keep claiming that it's promoting tolerance, but you can be tolerant of others without telling them:
"Rather, they are the inspired wisdom contained in the Bible, the Talmud, the Koran, the Bhagavad-Gita or any of the other Great Books of Faith that have been universally recognized as man's best guides to happiness on this world and reward in the next.
Talk about starting a one world religion... there's your roots for it!
hey there! good to see you. where is everyone...back at "the lodge"?
You Freemasons remind me of the James Carville types during the Clinton era. Deny, Deny, Deny.
Do we not have the right to believe that the Catholic religion is the only true religion under our Constitution? After all, all religions contradict each other. If the statement, all religions are true is true, then the fact not all religions believe this disproves this because of the philosophical law of noncontradiction.
Freemasonry, by contrast believes that no religions are absolutely true, and requires everyone to believe likewise. Actions speak far louder than words. The Americans United for Separation of Church and State was founded by the Scottish Rite Freemasons, and BTW, the KKK was founded by Freemasons.
Gotta love your tolerant Fraternity.
I would suggest you research the role the Grand Orient Lodge played in the French Revolution. Stop denying the role your murderous little fraternity has played in world history.
My ancestor met the guillotine due to the Masonic ideology of the French Revolutionaries. I shouldn't waste my time with an ignorant fellow such as yourself.
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