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Publishing Armageddon
American Vision ^ | 7/24/2006 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 07/24/2006 8:28:49 AM PDT by topcat54

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To: Blogger; Alex Murphy
One should be careful about how one handles prophecy. Jesus said that when we see these signs coming to pass to look up...

And what signs would that be? The invented signs of modern prophecy preachers whose imagination gave us 666 on bar codes, thermonuclear weapons and Cobra helicopters in the book of Revelation?

The same pop prophecy preachers whose "sounds like" game deduces that "Rosh" is Russia, "Meshech" is the city of Moscow and "Tubal" is the city of Tobolsk?

The fact is that the signs Jesus spoke of were all signs that could be readily identified by "this generation", that is His contemporaries in the 1st century. He told His disciples "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies" they were to "flee to the mountains." This is precisely what the early Christians did in AD70 just before Rome sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple.

21 posted on 07/24/2006 10:20:48 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: Blogger; nmh; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; TomSmedley
Walvrood is probably one of the better ones out there.

Well, that's quite an admission. It also says quite a bit about how gullible Christians are with this stuff.

"As others have noted, these books have one thing in common: they have all been wrong. Has that stopped the charade? Unfortunately not. In the anticipation of conflict, the Gulf War was linked with Armageddon, Saddam Hussein was associated with the Antichrist, and some of the same books were repackaged and resold. Indeed, sixteen years later Walvoord's book dealing with "the end of Western civilization" was recycled with very minor revisions and now featured a cover with a picture of a modern U.S. fighter jet. The result? 1.5 million more copies sold."

Bad Prophecy Rising

22 posted on 07/24/2006 10:35:30 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; TomSmedley; OrthodoxPresbyterian
He became mesmerized by the events in the Middle East and allowed that to color his scholarship.

"Mesmerized" is a good word. Most of these guys are dazzled by the bright lights and gaudy baubles of end-time prophecies.

But at its core, it is a political gambit and is being used to push a political agenda.

The politics may even be correct. But certainly not for theological reasons.

Every time I hear about the third temple being built, I cringe.

Jesus Christ is the third temple.

23 posted on 07/24/2006 10:36:09 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54

Can't happen too soon for me. Especially since our country has been sold out, and our Congressional leaders are such excellent examples of greed gone wild...


24 posted on 07/24/2006 10:38:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: topcat54
I bought "Myths, Lies and Half-truths." It's a great book.

Christ reigns today.

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." -- John 16:33

25 posted on 07/24/2006 10:43:49 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
See post 25.

God is in control, even if it sometimes feels like He's looking the other way.

26 posted on 07/24/2006 10:46:41 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg

Hey, TC, glad to see you're back.

As usual, we find an anti-premil stance rather than a pro-XYZ stance.

Someone needs to find an article that says, "Everything is gettin' better 'n better 'til it gets so doggone good, the Lord cain't hep but come back."

I'll help you look for it.


27 posted on 07/24/2006 10:52:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I agree 100% with your tagline...


28 posted on 07/24/2006 10:54:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Blogger
One should be careful about how one handles prophecy. Jesus said that when we see these signs coming to pass to look up... So, it follows that there are signs that we are to look for.

"Tonto, we are surrounded by Indians!"

"What you mean we, paleface?

Perhaps, Jesus said what He meant and meant what He said when He addressed His warnings to the "this generation" He was speaking to. The advice he gave -- watch for trends, make a run for it when you get the chance, and don't try to save anything more than your life -- was excellent advice to THAT generation. Thousands of His saints heeded and obeyed the prophetic word He gave them, and escaped the fall of Jerusalem.

Good advice for citizens of a damned, doomed, and dying civilization. A generation that had committed history's greatest crime, by crucifying the Son of God. And reaped in full the consequences of that act.

However, 21st century America is not 1st century Israel. Those prophecies don't apply. We have other challenges to face.

29 posted on 07/24/2006 10:54:42 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: xzins; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg
As usual, we find an anti-premil stance rather than a pro-XYZ stance.

One article does not a position make.

Someone needs to find an article that says, "Everything is gettin' better 'n better 'til it gets so doggone good, the Lord cain't hep but come back."

That's what we call history, son. Why don't you share with us what place and time in history you would prefer to be living other than the present.

30 posted on 07/24/2006 10:57:59 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54

Such a hypothetical is not really telling, but Jerusalem, 10 to 40 AD for starters.

:>)


31 posted on 07/24/2006 11:02:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg
Such a hypothetical is not really telling, but Jerusalem, 10 to 40 AD for starters.

If your desire was martyrdom, then perhaps that would be a good time to be living. Just ask Stephen, or the disciples who would put to death by Saul of Tarsus. Or perhaps you would prefer to not live as a Christian, and just go with the social/political/religion flow of the day?

Your life expectancy, even as an unbeliever, would be considerably less than what you enjoy today. You might look forward to contracting leprosy or any number of equally debilitating diseases. The mortality rate for your offspring would be around 50 percent. There would be a high probability that your wife would die in childbirth. The local tax collector had many techniques for making your life miserable. Your country was occupied by unscrupulous foreign soldiers. Shall I go on?

That's a real nice place to be. And that was the garden spot of the world, no?

32 posted on 07/24/2006 11:13:53 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: TomSmedley

Please don't assume to lecture me on biblical context. I'm well aware of the context of Jesus's Words. He also referred to some things in that same context which have not occurred yet - for example, the abomination of desolation.

As a "grafted in" Gentile, I believe that ALL of us can look at Jesus' words and take them for what they mean. Sure, he could mean "this generation" as in the one he was talking to or "this generation" as in the one who will experience the events described. I believe it is the latter. Apparently, you believe the former.

We will simply disagree.


33 posted on 07/24/2006 11:15:11 AM PDT by Blogger
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Yes, it's nice, isn't it? It works on so many levels. I hope the courageous Mr. Rose is still in good health.


34 posted on 07/24/2006 11:18:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54

I do not recall Walvrood associating S.H. with the AntiChrist. that was another author. We who study Bible prophecy (as opposed to those who have put it on the back burner because they no longer believe it to be urgently relevant) see certain things leading up to certain fulfillment of Prophecy and the return of the Lord. It is our blessed hope. Some go to far, I admit. They get dogmatic on their speculations. But, that doesn't mean the general theme of history isn't marching to the close God prescribed.


35 posted on 07/24/2006 11:18:20 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger; TomSmedley
which have not occurred yet - for example, the abomination of desolation.

Please demonstrate how this has not yet happened.

"Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house." (Matt. 24:15-17)

"So when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not" (let the reader understand), "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." (Mark 13:14)

"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Luke 21:20-22)

The parallelism is clear. The events described happened in AD70. Allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture is the best advise for solving these apparent issues.

36 posted on 07/24/2006 11:24:00 AM PDT by topcat54
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But, that doesn't mean the general theme of history isn't marching to the close God prescribed.

A big hearty AMEN! to that - but it's not the close that you think...

The LORD says to my Lord:
"Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."
- Psalm 110:1

37 posted on 07/24/2006 11:25:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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But, that doesn't mean the general theme of history isn't marching to the close God prescribed.

Oh, I agree. The Bible plainly teaches that history is marching on to the second coming. But it could be another 100 or 1000 or even 10,000 years until that happens.

There is nothing definite to link "this generation" to the return of Christ. It's all speculation. See Walvoord as an example.

38 posted on 07/24/2006 11:28:06 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54

Or today. We don't know. Nobody knows.


39 posted on 07/24/2006 11:30:12 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Alex Murphy

What is that supposed to mean?


40 posted on 07/24/2006 11:30:32 AM PDT by Blogger
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