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Traditional Latin Mass - filmed 1941 Our Lady Sorrows Chicago, narrated by Bishop Sheen
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Posted on 08/07/2006 12:10:17 PM PDT by NYer

Naturally, the film is in black white but is an absolute treasure. Enjoy!


Our Lady of Sorrows

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TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; History; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; latin; mass; sheen; tlm; tridentine
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1 posted on 08/07/2006 12:10:20 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 08/07/2006 12:10:44 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Thanks...do you know where to go to hear his Life is Worth Living show??


3 posted on 08/07/2006 12:17:54 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

They occasionally play a segment on EWTN.


4 posted on 08/07/2006 12:38:27 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Thanks...do you know where to go to hear his Life is Worth Living show??

This series is in 50 parts. You can purchase any one of those programs at:

CATHOLIC FAMILY CATALOG

or

watch it in streaming video at EWTN's web site.

5 posted on 08/07/2006 12:40:34 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Suzy Quzy

EWTN, Friday evenings, 9 p.m. EDT, 6 p.m. PDT

http://www.ewtn.com/tv/grids.asp?satellite=DOM&month=08&day=01&year=1945&FirstSunday=8/6/2006&LastSunday=8/27/2006


6 posted on 08/07/2006 12:42:53 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee…Genesis 12:3)
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To: NYer

How do you go about downloading this? I wanted to burn it onto a CD.


7 posted on 08/07/2006 1:14:54 PM PDT by Cheverus
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To: NYer

Thanks!!


8 posted on 08/07/2006 1:33:37 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: nanetteclaret

Thanks!!


9 posted on 08/07/2006 1:33:55 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Miss Marple

As a new Catholic, have you ever seen his show?? I saw a clip not long ago and he was talking about the enviroment....in the 50's!!


10 posted on 08/07/2006 1:34:59 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Cheverus
How do you go about downloading this? I wanted to burn it onto a CD.

Apparently, you must first create an account. After that, you can download it to your Favorites folder and burn it to a CD.

11 posted on 08/07/2006 1:38:24 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

bump for a later read.


12 posted on 08/07/2006 1:45:36 PM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: NYer
Kissing the priest's right hand, by deacons/alter boys, the Mass is sung throughout, incensing, facing the East, three steps to the altar, crossing, menorah on the altar, bowing, all this is still to this day done in Orthodox liturgies. Very refreshing to see such similarities and recognize the same litrugy, and yet regrattable that the Latin Church changed all that for the novus ordo Mass.
13 posted on 08/07/2006 2:09:47 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Very refreshing to see such similarities and recognize the same litrugy, and yet regrattable that the Latin Church changed all that for the novus ordo Mass.

Little-by-little, however, the Traditional Latin Mass is coming back! I attended the first such Mass in Front Royal, Virginia yesterday, the second location in the Diocese of Arlington for the indult "Tridentine" Mass. The church was packed, and the Mass was beautiful!

14 posted on 08/07/2006 2:49:27 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Pyro7480
Little-by-little, however, the Traditional Latin Mass is coming back! I attended the first such Mass in Front Royal, Virginia yesterday, the second location in the Diocese of Arlington for the indult "Tridentine" Mass. The church was packed, and the Mass was beautiful!

Glad to hear that. Beauty comes from God. The more beautiful we make our worship, the more godly it is. To me, as an orthodox Chirstian, it is refreshing to recognize the same litrugy externally (forgot to mention the tall candles carried by altar boys during the reading of the Gospels, we still have that too).

Our usual liturgy (of St. John Chrysostom) is 1600 years old. So, if I see similarities in the Tridentine Mass it must contain elements that are at least as old.

15 posted on 08/07/2006 3:02:19 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Suzy, I used to watch it with my folks when I was a little girl! They wern't Catholic, but it was a very popular show with a lot of Americans.

I have occasionally caught it on EWTN and he never fails to interest and always has some good points.

16 posted on 08/07/2006 3:23:21 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: kosta50

"all this is still to this day done in Orthodox liturgies."

It is also done in the Masses of Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest.


17 posted on 08/07/2006 3:28:18 PM PDT by Daffy
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To: Suzy Quzy

He's on EWTN three times every weekend, or at least he was until recently. Ahh. It takes me back to those black & white days every time I see him. I wasn't a cradle catholic, but I loved him anyway. I just liked to look at him.


18 posted on 08/07/2006 3:31:44 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: NYer

"It is a long established principle of the church, never to completely drop from her public worship, any ceremony, object, or prayer which once occupied a place in that worship."


19 posted on 08/07/2006 3:31:58 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: NYer

I wonder if they still use any of the vestments. My music/worship director has talked about burying priests in them to "get rid" of them.


20 posted on 08/07/2006 3:37:47 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: ichabod1

I don't get EWTN.


21 posted on 08/07/2006 3:43:14 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Suzy Quzy
I don't get EWTN.

Live telecasts are available online at their web site: http://www.ewtn.com

22 posted on 08/07/2006 4:19:35 PM PDT by NYer
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To: ichabod1
"It is a long established principle of the church, never to completely drop from her public worship, any ceremony, object, or prayer which once occupied a place in that worship."

It's too bad Fulton Sheen, among others, saw that a bunch of things that were dropped from the Latin liturgy in his own lifetime.

23 posted on 08/07/2006 4:39:07 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: kosta50; Pyro7480
Our usual liturgy (of St. John Chrysostom) is 1600 years old. So, if I see similarities in the Tridentine Mass it must contain elements that are at least as old.

The Maronite Church also uses this Anaphora. Do you also share the majestic Anaphora of Saint James?

The Prayer of Praise and Thanksgiving in the various anaphoras usually addresses God the Father as Creator and His work of creation. It goes on to describe how creation is responding in praise. Perhaps the most beautiful description of this symphony of cosmic worship is found in the Anaphora of Saint James which declares:

. . . The heights of Heaven and all its powers exalt You:
the sun, the moon and the whole choir of stars;
the earth, the seas and all that is in them;
the Heavenly Jerusalem, the Church of the firstborn, those whose names are written in Heaven;
the angels, archangels, dominions and thrones. . . .

"Holy, Holy, Holy"

24 posted on 08/07/2006 4:39:23 PM PDT by NYer
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To: ichabod1
I wonder if they still use any of the vestments. My music/worship director has talked about burying priests in them to "get rid" of them.

Time to get out the spades and begin digging. That's just terrible. I recall visiting the web site of the Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet. On it, they list the deceased sisters and there is one who holds notoriety for being the last nun buried in the habit of their order. No coincidence that the order has been shriveling like a dried up prune, ever since.

As for those magnificent vestments, I read somewhere that certain SSPX priests were able to salvage them from the dustbins of older churches and put them back into use. These are magnificent treasures that should be passed down from generation to generation. Rich brocades and fine silk. What a sin to bury them!

25 posted on 08/07/2006 4:51:29 PM PDT by NYer
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To: kosta50; Pyro7480
Our usual liturgy (of St. John Chrysostom) is 1600 years old.

If either of you ever has the opportunity to do so, I would strongly encourage you to attend the only morning service offered at the Maronite Church on Good Friday.

The Maronite Church in its liturgy is fortunate in being the heir of at least two rich traditions, those of Edessa and Antioch. The Church of Edessa traces its origins to the preaching of the liturgical contributors including St. Ephrem and James of Saroug. The first Christian converts to the Church of Edessa included the earliest Jewish-Christians. Therefore, its liturgy is strongly influenced by the world-view of the Bible. As one of the oldest established churches, it developed its prayer forms before being influenced by Greek thought. Our Maronite liturgy today still has many hymns and prayers from St. Ephrem and James of Saroug. The Anaphora of the Apostles (also known as III Peter and by the Syriac word Sharrar), which the Maronite Church shares in common with the Church of Edessa, is the oldest Anaphora in the Catholic Church, and is still found in adapted form as the Anaphora of the Signing of the Chalice on Good Friday.

The Church of Antioch was the ancient See of Peter and developed its liturgy with influences from the Church of Jerusalem. The Maronite Anaphora of the Twelve Apostles represents the oldest tradition of the Church of Antioch. St. John Chrysostom took this Anaphora with him to Constantinople and became the basis of the Byzantine liturgy. As heir to the Patriarchate of Antioch, the Maronite Church represents the Antiochene liturgy in its fullness. Thus, the Maronite Church, in its prayer life, preserves the way of worship of the Apostles and their earliest disciples.

26 posted on 08/07/2006 5:01:47 PM PDT by NYer
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If they had only buried them. A priest who attended the seminary in the 70's told me that they dumped the most exquisite vestments in a dumpster (he and some other seminarians asked if they could have them and were told NO!) and then BURNED them!


27 posted on 08/07/2006 5:03:10 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: NYer

One wonders how that beautiful altar was likely desecrated in keeping with the newchruch heresies.


28 posted on 08/07/2006 5:27:16 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: NYer; Pyro7480
If either of you ever has the opportunity to do so, I would strongly encourage you to attend the only morning service offered at the Maronite Church on Good Friday

I will keep that on my roster, NYer, thank you for the description of the Anaphoras, and for the Latin Mass link, once again. Someitme in the near future I want to see a Trad Mass in person.

29 posted on 08/07/2006 7:24:48 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Pyro7480

Are you saying Bishop Sheen "saw that" things were dropped, or saw a bunch of things "that were" dropped? At any rate, we're getting some back.


30 posted on 08/08/2006 6:53:21 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: NYer

I should be clear. The chasuble in question was a gaudy pink travesty for Gaudete Sunday that the brothers at St. Thomas U. had wanted to get rid of so they pawned it off on St. Annes, which is where I go. The Worship Director wanted to ditch it, but apparently the Pastor likes to wear it on that day. Last year he made a joke from the Ambo (very inappropriate) that the St. Thomas Frs. thought it was gay but that he was confident enough in his masculinity to wear it.

I thought at the time it must have been traditional to bury priests in them. I guess I'm wrong?


31 posted on 08/08/2006 6:57:33 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: ichabod1
I thought at the time it must have been traditional to bury priests in them. I guess I'm wrong?

Gosh ... I really don't know. Some of these must have been quite elaborate and costly.

32 posted on 08/08/2006 7:06:58 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Miss Marple
"Suzy, I used to watch it with my folks when I was a little girl! They wern't Catholic, but it was a very popular show with a lot of Americans."

He was amazing. I heard that his show was the highest rated show on TV for years.

33 posted on 08/08/2006 7:15:42 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: Robert Drobot
One wonders how that beautiful altar was likely desecrated in keeping with the newchruch heresies.

Apparently, it's been kept intact.


Historical Restoration work at Our Lady of Sorrows, Chicago

34 posted on 08/08/2006 7:31:29 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Isn't that beautiful?? For ALL non-Catholic freepers, when you see an old time Cathedral in a city, pop-in and have a look around at the BEAUTY that lies within....you won't find better at any museum.


35 posted on 08/08/2006 8:09:54 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: ichabod1
Are you saying Bishop Sheen "saw that" things were dropped, or saw a bunch of things "that were" dropped?

No, I mean he was a witness of the removal of these elements, not that he was in charge of it.

36 posted on 08/08/2006 9:17:20 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: NYer; Robert Drobot

Hmm, that picture doesn't show the high altar (that would be a side altar at the far left of the photo), so Robert's question is still open.


37 posted on 08/08/2006 9:43:25 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Pyro7480; NYer; All
Little-by-little, however, the Traditional Latin Mass is coming back!

Here's another video of the TLM to watch from somewhere in Europe. It's 64 minutes long and the chanting is beautiful. Take a look:

Sancta Missa

38 posted on 08/08/2006 9:48:56 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: Carolina; Miss Marple; nanetteclaret; Cheverus; Suzy Quzy; technochick99; kosta50; Daffy; ...

Ping to Carolina's video link in post #38.


39 posted on 08/08/2006 9:59:53 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Carolina; Miss Marple; nanetteclaret; Cheverus; Suzy Quzy; technochick99; kosta50; Daffy; ...

PS - That video link is downloadable as a mp4 file. :-)


40 posted on 08/08/2006 10:00:58 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: NYer

Well, I'd hope they wouldn't use the really nice, antique ones. Some of these recent one that look like they were decorated with felt, elmers glue, and sequins by the Sunday school classes would do well to be buried. Although I'm not sure it would be respectful to saddle the Priest's earthly remains with some of them. OTOH, some of them deserve it.

As I say, the pink thing was horrid, just hideous... then there's the permanent deacon that assists Father, and he had a pink sash... err stole.


41 posted on 08/08/2006 10:17:23 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: ELS
Hmm, that picture doesn't show the high altar

Take another look at the picture. This is a 'restoration' not a 'renovation'. Big difference. That photo was taken by the company retained to 'restore' the Church. Here is a link to the basilica's web site.

OLS

42 posted on 08/08/2006 11:55:16 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Whether it's a restoration or renovation is irrelevant to the fact that the photo you posted doesn't show the high (main) altar of the church. The right side of the photo shows the back of the church and the left side of the photo shows a SIDE altar of the church. There is no information in that photo about the main altar. The site you linked to doesn't have any photos of the main altar, either.


43 posted on 08/08/2006 12:41:48 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

True ... but the side altar is intact and in any 'authentic' restoration, all aspects must be 'restored' to their original state. Hence, one must conclude that the main altar is probably intact. No proof; just deductive reasoning.


44 posted on 08/08/2006 1:16:46 PM PDT by NYer
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To: ichabod1

I was just listening to Bishop Sheen talk about the consecration... the "ancient and unchanging sequence of prayers" and it strikes me that they've really destroyed the consecration by eliminating all of the prayers that were always said... is it really still a consecration with the little 2 minute schpiel they give?


45 posted on 08/08/2006 3:00:08 PM PDT by ichabod1 (WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH)
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To: kosta50

"Our usual liturgy (of St. John Chrysostom) is 1600 years old. So, if I see similarities in the Tridentine Mass it must contain elements that are at least as old."

The Tridentine Mass, though named after a Council of the Catholic Reformation, has roots dating back to Pope St Gregory the Great.


46 posted on 08/08/2006 5:33:22 PM PDT by tlRCta (St. Joseph, pray for us!)
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To: tlRCta
The Tridentine Mass, though named after a Council of the Catholic Reformation, has roots dating back to Pope St Gregory the Great

Wow, that explains a lot. Besides, I imagine tat both are drawn from the older versions, yet, of St. Basil and St. James.

So, where did the Novus Ordo come from? Or is ti just made eup of various litrugical traditions?

47 posted on 08/08/2006 6:30:26 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: NYer

WONDERFUL!


48 posted on 08/08/2006 10:32:02 PM PDT by Maeve (St. Rafqa, pray for us.)
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To: Pyro7480; All

Thanks, Pyro, but I have dial-up and the link says it will take 22 hours to download this one!! The first video takes my computer +/- 30 seconds to download two seconds of video - so only 2 seconds at a time can be watched. (frustrating and impossible) I figured that one would take about 13 1/2 hours to download.

Does anyone know where I might purchase a video or dvd of a TLM?


49 posted on 08/09/2006 6:31:16 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: nanetteclaret
Tradition: The Latin Mass with Gregorian Choir
The solemn high Mass offered by the Very Rev. Josef Bisig, then Superior General of the Fraternity, at the Church of St. Mary–St. Anthony in Kansas City, Kansas, with music by the seminary Schola and commentary by F.S.S.P. priests. Filmed with state-of-the-art camera and audio equipment under the direction of Mr. Jack Cashill. 55-minute Video $20.00 (Scroll all the way to the bottom of the page)
The Most Beautiful Thing This Side of Heaven
"The primary aim of the video is to assist priests...and it will certainly achieve this....But the appeal of the video extends far beyond its immediate purpose. There cannot be a layman who would not be inspired by it, learn from it, and have his faith and devotion to tradition deepened by it. The video was made by a professional camera crew to the highest possible technical standards. It was filmed in a parish church in Dublin, and the commentary by Kieron Wood, formerly religious correspondent for RTE, is masterly. While explaining the rubrics of the Mass in the clearest possible manner, his commentary manages not to obtrude upon the unfolding of the majesty and mystery of the traditional rite." -Michael Davies. Every video comes with a free booklet which follows the video in text. 52 min. Color Video. ITEM #30179 $34.95 (From Catholic Treasures)
The First Mass of Fr. Fryar's (what an appropriate name)
The twin DVD package of Summi et Aeterni Sacerdoti (Fr. Fryar's First Solemn Mass) comes with an entire DVD's worth of bonus material, INCLUDING the entire Mass as seen through the eyes of Fr. Fryar. This special package can be ordered for just $18.95 (plus $1.50 shipping).

The bonus material is something which has never before been available: a newly ordained priest's reflections and thoughts during his first Mass. Neither do I know of any other DVD's or VHS recordings of a polyphonic Mass setting composed specifically for a priest's first Mass.


50 posted on 08/09/2006 8:11:22 AM PDT by Carolina
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