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To: Diamond
True.

But it's the dullness, as he portrays it, that leads a girl to take her child's life. And, contrary to popular thought, I don't think girls who have abortions are torn about what they've done to the degree that is warranted or portrayed. The little tykes were never alive to them in the way that all the other people they know are. They move on quite easily because they didn't even have the courage to plunge the dagger themselves into the tiny hearts of their little babies, they didn't even have the guts to look their victim in the eyes, they hired a hit man instead.

Cordially, too.

11 posted on 08/08/2006 6:30:12 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: AlbionGirl

Amen, Sister!

We are a dull and legalistic American church. Is it any wonder that the world looks to drugs and sex as an alternative? If the Church isn't providing the sweet incense of new life all that is left is escapism from this dying world.

Like so many Willy Lomans we can't understand why Biff is lost. We peddle our fire insurance with clownish advertising icons unable to compete with cute Gekkos. Never has so much truth been expressed in a cute little quip. "People trust advertising icons." So we keep trying.

When we begin expressing the joy of the liberty of new life we can expect the world to understand the awe of new life.


32 posted on 08/08/2006 9:54:45 PM PDT by Blois
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To: AlbionGirl; Diamond; Gamecock
But it's the dullness, as he portrays it, that leads a girl to take her child's life. And, contrary to popular thought, I don't think girls who have abortions are torn about what they've done to the degree that is warranted or portrayed.

Dear AlbionGirl, you make some interesting comments on the quotation you posted up in #8. It seems to me the man is speaking to Christians when he says, "The most critical issue facing Christians...."

I interpreted the quotation to be saying that while issues of the day - Christian causes, if you will, for that is how he seems to refer to them - are important, what matters most is knowledge of the Holy One, and this means awe. As the man says,

We have lost our astonishment. The Good News is no longer good news, it is okay news. Christianity is no longer life changing, it is life enhancing.

So to speak as you do about women who have had abortions - are you speaking of those who are dead in their sins while doing so, or of those who are born-again and do so (and is that possible)? - saying, "I don't think girls who have abortions are torn about what they've done to the degree that is warranted or portrayed," perhaps you are unintentionally fulfilling the very thing you are trying to speak against.

For this poster testifies to you that at the age of 19 I chose to abort my first child. At the time I was separated from Christ, dead to God, ignorant and completely sold to sin. At the age of 29 I was simultaneously made aware that the abortion I chose was murder and that Jesus Christ died for my sin and rose again, and that by repentance (oh, turning away!) and believing in His Name (the turning to Him Alone who could save!) I too would be given Life from the dead. The whole of Wisdom, the Truth, the Life of God was then granted to me and I was sealed with the Holy Spirit. How sweet His Word became to me, how precious my communion with God and with the saints in this unity of Christ! How I was set free!

Yet your words speak to some other way, some other form of repayment for post-abortive women. What would constitute, in your opinion, "a warranted degree of being torn about what they've done"? Should they who are now in Christ never rejoice in Him?

A quotation from another man on another FR thread seems warranted in closing; I think it speaks more closely to your original quotation than your follow-up remarks, for this is the awe:

Give Jesus Christ his full glory—not half of it. Give him the glory, both as the one who is perfect righteousness for us—which we have by faith alone—and the one who, on the basis of justification, works progressive righteousness in us. Don’t rob him of the glory of his role as your righteousness. He is your righteousness. And because he is your righteousness, he can, and will in time, make you righteous. Look to Christ alone, trust in Christ alone—not your righteousness—for your right standing in God’s court and your acceptance with him. Amen.

The one who is forgiven much loves much, said the Master. This is the awe: His great mercy toward us while we were yet sinners, and His great power over sin and death, and this too-good-to-be-true-yet-true love and forgiveness is free to all who will receive it, and when truly received instills, inspires, and overflows with great awe!

I had the awesome pleasure of sharing this same great news with another dead sinner yesterday, and I saw the message received for the good news it was - awe for mercy! awe for the message and that He would use this messenger! awe every time it is received among men! If even the angels rejoice, why not we?

But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared [held in AWE].
Psalm 130:4

Because of what He has done for me, for me personally, this wretched vile murderous creature, because of Who He Is and Who He Sent, I live in awe every day of my life in Christ. Oh! this is freedom and this is life from the dead!

So I took up your comment, "They move on quite easily," to explain to you why I am dancing so effortlessly - It is Christ in me, the hope of Glory.

And I pray some other post-abortive man or woman will see this my testimony and know the God of my salvation as I know Him. Only in Thee, dear sweet Savior Jesus!

40 posted on 08/09/2006 3:22:24 AM PDT by .30Carbine ("Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable." Robert Farrar Capon)
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