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To: Krista33

You assume too much.

Can you show me the word 'trinity' in the Bible? No.

Maybe there's a reason it isn't there.

Can you show me the words "God the Son" in the Bible? No.

Maybe there is a reason they aren't there.

Trinintarian doctrine says that God is three while the Bible says that God is one.

Trinintarian doctrine says that Jesus Christ is God...but the Bible says that the man Christ Jesus is the one mediator between men and God (NOT Mary!!!!)

You can believe what you want to believe. And you will.


11 posted on 08/11/2006 7:16:35 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Jesus says I am the great I Am. He says he is the Lord of the Sabbath. It is why the Jews wanted him stoned. To them, it was blasphemy.

I am not one to get into lengthy debates. I do not doubt that you believe what you believe. In my 'theology according to me' thinking ;) I believe the Lord knows your heart. He knows what dwells there. He knows if I seek truth. He knows if you seek truth. Does it make you a better person, a more Christ-like person to deny the Trinity? If you feel it does, than you are seeking what you think is truth. But ultimately if we go to bed at night with anger in our hearts because there are people out there that do not agree with a certain interpretation of Scripture, then we might reexamine if we are seeking truth. Is this an academic search or a spiritual one? Ultimately anything that causes hate, anything that causes us to pass judgement, leads us farther from truth.

Love one another.


12 posted on 08/11/2006 8:12:41 AM PDT by Krista33
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To: Eagle Eye

The church refered to Christ as God and the Holy Spirit as God long before the word trinity was used to describe God.


15 posted on 08/11/2006 11:49:16 AM PDT by kawaii
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To: Eagle Eye

Which Bible translation are you using that prevents you from finding the Trinity in Scripture?

It's there...it's obvious...unless you're using one of the crackpot verions published by fringe groups.


34 posted on 08/13/2006 7:06:43 AM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: Eagle Eye; Krista33; Thinkin' Gal; betty boop; hosepipe
I pray there will be those who will bear with this short word of exhortion!

Can you show me the word 'trinity' in the Bible? No.

It is not a word, but The Word, and a true doctrine of the faithful:

For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."
Romans 8:13-15

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Galatians 4:4-7

Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22

Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. We live by faith, not by sight. We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
2 Corinthians 5:5-8

"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, *just as* you are *in* me and I am in you. May they also be *in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I *in* them and you *in* me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them *even as* you have loved me. Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."
John 17:20-26

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be *with you* forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives *with you* and *will be* *in* you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
John 14:16-18

"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" —which means, 'God *with us*.'
Matthew 1:23

Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."

Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
John 20:27-29

If not the doctrine of the Trinity, and I believe it is true doctrine according to these and every other Scripture, it must be a doctrine of Four In One - perhaps we could rightly call it a Quadrille! - for we who believe are also one *in HIM* who is the Very Son! Yet the Scriptures testify that the Witness is rightly called the Trinity:

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word [...became flesh and dwelt among us...], and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.
1 John 5:7-9

37 posted on 08/13/2006 8:29:37 AM PDT by .30Carbine (May God be the Glory)
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