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You Know Where To Go (to complain about liturgical dance)
Curt Jester ^ | August 17, 2006

Posted on 08/18/2006 2:40:48 PM PDT by NYer

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To: AnAmericanMother

"So they go to church and inflict their horrible travesties on folks there . ."

Not on this folk.
I told, in writing, my modernist pastor of three years ago that if he ever again had a dancer at Mass that my family would immediately walk right out the center aisle of church - and take our contributions with us.
I also said I was recommending my friends do likewise.
The first dancing episode was also the last.


21 posted on 08/18/2006 5:27:46 PM PDT by rogator
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To: rogator
I pretty much told our former ECUSA pastor the same thing . . . and I hit him where he lived when I told him not only was it inappropriate, the poor woman couldn't dance for beans. Since he didn't know anything about dance, he couldn't very well contradict me.

We never saw another one in the time I was there. Good riddance.

22 posted on 08/18/2006 5:43:52 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: rogator

I don't believe our current very orthodox Catholic parish would allow post-menopausal biddies in tights and leotards into the sanctuary . . . or any other kind of dancer for that matter.


23 posted on 08/18/2006 5:44:54 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Carolina
Not in the "translation" ~ the "cultural background". Certainly you must be aware of the dispute that flamed at Grand Ol' Opry for several decades concerning bringing drums on stage.

Traditional country music didn't have drums. Modern music did. Miss Minnie Pearl led the opposition.

DOn't tell me RCs don't listen to CM.

24 posted on 08/18/2006 5:49:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Miss Marple
BTW, ALL Pentecostals don't think dance is sinful. Most of them, in fact, clearly allow free-form dance during services.

On the other hand I think they continue to discourage pube to pube events, in general.

The groups I was thinking of are mostly "fundamentalist", not "Pentecostal". Besides, there are Catholic Pentecostals (who seem to have begun practicing in secret ~ at least the ones I know aren't publicising it as much now as they did 20 years ago).

25 posted on 08/18/2006 5:55:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

No, I don't listen to country music. Sorry. Thanks for explaining the drum controversy. I had no idea.


26 posted on 08/18/2006 6:08:05 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Carolina
The "Mountain South" is definitely a study in itself.

America is definitely a strange place once you get outside of town.

27 posted on 08/18/2006 6:12:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AnAmericanMother

LOL, I never considered that point of view! Good point. Your perspective also applies sometimes to the so-called "music ministry". These people can't sing their way out of a paper bag, they choose songs (not hymns) that are inappropriate and occasionally even heretical, and they seem to forget the Mass is not a concert for the greater glory of themselves.


28 posted on 08/18/2006 6:55:35 PM PDT by baa39 (Quid hoc ad aeternitatem?)
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To: Miss Marple; AnAmericanMother

If it didn't come through in my original post I was just trying to be funny.


29 posted on 08/18/2006 7:31:42 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Deo volente
heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, nausea, or diarrhea,

Bepto Pismol!!!

30 posted on 08/18/2006 7:56:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
Well, then, but what about Psalm 150:

1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.

2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.

3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.

6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

31 posted on 08/18/2006 8:02:53 PM PDT by RonF
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To: NYer

We're men, we're men in tights
We roam around the forest looking for fights
We're men, We're men in tights
We rob from the rich and give to the poor, that's right
We may look like sissies
But watch what you say, or else we'll put out your lights
We're men, we're men in tights
Always on guard defending the people's rights

La, la, la, ....etc

We're men, manly men, we're men in tights Yeah!
We roam around the forest looking for fights
We're men, we're men in tights
We rob from the rich and give to the poor, that's right
We may look like pansies
But don't get us wrong, or else we'll put out your lights
We're men, we're men in tights, tight tights
Always on guard defending the people's rights
When you're in a fix, call for the men in tights
We're Butch!!


32 posted on 08/18/2006 8:09:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: NYer
The fundamental problem surrounding liturgical dance, speaking in tongues, holy laughter, and all the other nonsense that the Charismatic movement has been spreading is that Charismatics know no authority other than their own emotions. Neither pope, nor pastor, nor scripture will sway them from an opinion if that opinion is felt to be a spiritual one.

The only problem is that Christianity is a faith of externally revealed divine truth, not internally discovered divinity...and Charismaticism is therefore incompatible with it.
33 posted on 08/18/2006 10:20:58 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Miss Marple
It is distracting, as would be... performing monkeys...

For goodness sakes, don't give them any ideas!

34 posted on 08/19/2006 12:26:24 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: NYer
When the people finish dancing in the Mass and then when the dance group finishes and people clap -- don't you see what it means? It means we have enjoyed it.

Or maybe it means that the congregation are just immensely relieved that it's over and they don't have to pretend to enjoy that silliness anymore.

I've been through some bad times in churches, but thank God, I never had DANCE inflicted on me...

35 posted on 08/19/2006 3:25:33 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: RonF
Psalm 149

1 Sing ye to the Lord a new canticle: let his praise be in the church of the saints. 2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: and let the children of Sion be joyful in their king. 3 Let them praise his name in choir: let them sing to him with the timbrel and the psaltery. 4 For the Lord is well pleased with his people: and he will exalt the meek unto salvation. 5 The saints shall rejoice in glory: they shall be joyful in their beds.

6 The high praise of God shall be in their mouth: and two-edged swords in their hands: 7 To execute vengeance upon the nations, chastisements among the people: 8 To bind their kings with fetters, and their nobles with manacles of iron. 9 To execute upon them the judgment that is written: this glory is to all his saints. Alleluia.

Psalm 150

Praise ye the Lord in his holy places: praise ye him in the firmament of his power. 2 Praise ye him for his mighty acts: praise ye him according to the multitude of his greatness. 3 Praise him with sound of trumpet: praise him with psaltery and harp. 4 Praise him with timbrel and choir: praise him with strings and organs. 5 Praise him on high sounding cymbals: praise him on cymbals of joy: let every spirit praise the Lord. Alleluia.

*These psalms are not prescriptive for Liturgy. They are descriptive of what ALL creatures must do - praise God. WE do that.

Furthermore,the "new song" is a celebration of the triumph of God over gentile nations.THe Christian counterpart is...Apoc 5:9 And they sung a new canticle, saying: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; because thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God, in thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation.

*Y'all are free to do what you want to Praise God. We Christians base our Mass upon the Holy Sacrifice of the New Covenant re-presented at every Mass...

36 posted on 08/19/2006 4:11:28 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: xzins
We're men, manly men, we're men in tights Yeah!


Jesuit Father Saju George

37 posted on 08/19/2006 5:08:15 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Miss Marple
Pentecostals think dance is sinful. That is not my point, nor my opinion.
I think dance is inappropriate for the Mass. It is distracting, as would be jokes, mimes, acrobats, performing monkeys, or hurdy-gurdy music.
These things are not sinful, but they are not reverent.

Very true.

Certain music is in appropriate too.

38 posted on 08/19/2006 5:33:28 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: NYer
Has it stopped? If not, you may contact Cardinal Arinze. He is keeping tabs on these abuses.

Yes, as a matter of fact, it has. It was only at one Mass. The last few times I went, they were gone.
But thanks for the heads-up. I will keep him in mind.

39 posted on 08/19/2006 5:35:00 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: NYer
THAT is a Jesuit Father?

He looks like he's in drag as an Orissa temple dancer . . .

Wow have the Black Robes fallen far . ..

40 posted on 08/19/2006 6:32:09 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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