Posted on 09/01/2006 5:32:18 AM PDT by xzins
Now as a good Christian, I am sure Tommy warned Salomon of the soon coming holocaustal judgment on Israel. And I am sure as a Christian pastor he presented Salomon the Gospel of Jesus Christ, pointing out that He and He alone is "the way, the truth, and the life."
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Actually, all the dispensational believers I know with access to such people on tours to Israel . . . essentially, do exactly that.
Lindsey recycles books and wives as each ages out. I don't know how many times he's re-written his 70's stuff, changing the casts while leaving the plotlines. I have read that he's on marriage number four.
How long can Ice, LaHaye, and Linday keep up this mantra of "1948 is eschatologically significant" and non-dispensationalists are racists line? It's getting very old, and dispensationalists of all stripes are coming to realize that fact.
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I suspect it will be around as long as it describes objective reality so well.
Of course, The Great Tribulation and Armageddon will overtake a lot of other priorities quite soon enough.
Very interesting indeed. I do believe that God has a plan for Israel and the rest of us as well. That said, I will await His decision as to when this will occur and be known.
Then I'm surprised you would make such a assertion as being "historically true". How far back does your view of history go?
If you can't point to a document or something that can be scrutinized, what are you basing your assertion on?
Now Jesus Himself called the religion of his day a cultic distortion of what God had in mind, a distortion so severe as to fatally obscure God's revelation for man. But I suppose you know better ...
You'd better fault Jesus, too.
Continue to be Jewish.
If you hadn't noticed, this is similar to the approach to interpreting the Bible that got another famous datesetter, Harold Camping, in trouble. See his book 1994?.
Edgar Wisenaunt, author of the famous 88 reasons and its 1989 sequel at least had the excuse of being a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. The callousness with which Hal Lindsey discards his wives, however, should be a clamorous alarm bell to anyone tempted to regard him as a credible Christian, let alone teacher.
Do? Do? By the Grace of Perseverance unto the Saints, continue to be a Member of God's Israel, that's what I intend to "DO".
The very Question is Absurd. According to the Scriptures... once I have accepted Christ, I am "a Jew, which is one inwardly" (Rom. 2:29), a Member of "the Circumcision" (Phil. 3:3), "a Child and Seed of Abraham" (Gal. 3:7, 29), a Citizen of the "Jerusalem which is above" and one of the "children of the promise" (Gal. 4:24-29); and, in fact, "the Israel of God" (Gal. 6:16).
And one thing that I do NOT intend to "DO", as a Member of "The Israel of God", is preach the Un-Christian Heresy of Thomas Ice, who falsely declares (against all Scripture and Tradition, throughout the History of the Christian Church everywhere):
"ut-most: of the greatest or highest degree" (dictionary.com)
That is Utter HERESY, pure and simple; as bad or indeed worse than the most extreme "Salvation = Faith + Belief in Calvinism" error of even the most Hardshell Hyper-Calvinist there ever was.
"What one believes about the future of Israel (by which the heretic Ice means the ethnic future of racial Jews) is of the GREATEST AND HIGHEST importance to one's understanding of the Bible"... OH, REALLY?!
More important that the Doctrine of the Trinity? More important than the Doctrine of Creationism? More important than the Doctrine of Substitutionary Salvation, itself? And are we now the understand that the Reformational Doctrine of the Perspicuity of Scripture is conditional upon one's obeisance to Thomas Ice's heretical Racialist dogma of Dispensationalism??
The Dispensationalist defenders of the Heretic Thomas Ice may quickly scramble and say, oh no, of course he didn't really mean that, maybe a bit hyperbolic, perhaps just a slight exaggeration on his part... surely you don't dare to hold a leading Dispensationalist Theologian to account for what he actually said, do you?!
Of course I dare. Where his treasure is, there is his heart; and out of the abundance of his heart, his heresy speaketh.
Proving the Heresy of Dispensationalism is simple.
You just let leading Dispensationalist Theologians talk.
Best, OP
Mea Culpa for the oversight.
False prophets attempting to predict the outcome of both world wars hurt dispensationalism's credibility. they were always confident that Bible prophecy was being fulfilled right before their eyes, but the subsequent events always forced them to continually re-evaluate what was being fulfilled. Bible scholars had either grown silent or abandoned the viewpoint after the mid 1960s. Then there was a revival of interest when Hal Lindsey published the best selling book of the 1970s: The Late Great Planet Earth. In it Lindsey declared that "no self-respecting scholar who looks at world conditions and the accelerating decline of Christian influence today is a post-millennialist." Lindsey wold have saved himself much embarrassment if he had interpreted world conditions in light of Scripture, instead of trying to read into Scripture his understanding of current events. Lindsey helped bury dispensationalism with his unfulfilled predictions and there were plenty of post-millennialists around to attend the funeral!...
Although the Church was supposed to be in ruins, it experienced the greatest revival since Pentecost during the end of the 20th century. Peter Wagner declared, "We are in the springtime of missions." In 1900 the ratio of non-Christians to Christians worldwide was 27:1. In 1989 that same ratio was 7:1. Although there were repeated attempts to connect the year 2000 with something cataclysmic, "wolf" had been cried too many times. Nothing could revive the old theory and it passed away leaving a host of red-faced prophecy expects and a huge surplus of obsolete books and charts.
The Obituary of Dispensationalism: 1830-1988 by Vic Reasoner
Probably for as long as you Antidispensationalreconstructionalreplacementarianists continue to claim that AD70 is eschatologically significant.
I'm feeling a little left out. ;-)
And how many who post against him are on marriage number two or more?
Probably for as long as you Antidispensationalreconstructionalreplacementarianists continue to claim that AD70 is eschatologically significant.
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I think you are entirely right about the
ContrarianAntidispensationalreconstructionalreplacementarianists!
Replacement theology and its view that Israel is finished in history nationally has been responsible for producing theological anti-Semitism in the church. History records that such a theology, when combined with the right social and political climate, has produced and allowed anti-Semitism to flourish.
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Reads like a very objective, brief description of accurate historical facts, to me.
Absolutely true. But persecution of the Jews is no more a part of supercessionism than it is of dispensationalism.
As regards the history of Jewish persecution in the Middle Ages, let's not pretend that was theological. It was wholly political and economic. Thus, Mr. Ice is disingenuous to blame a Christian theology for those atrocities.
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