Also, perhaps, Ivan the Terrible's conquests of the Mongols. Ivan was not, to say the least, an admirable or saintly man, but he accomplished one crucial job, at least.
Correcto, Cicero. From now on we'll call him, Ivan "the mostly" Terrible
161 posted on 09/11/2006 3:09:20 PM PDT by vox_freedom
(Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)