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To: Cicero
Also, perhaps, Ivan the Terrible's conquests of the Mongols. Ivan was not, to say the least, an admirable or saintly man, but he accomplished one crucial job, at least.

Correcto, Cicero.
From now on we'll call him, Ivan "the mostly" Terrible

161 posted on 09/11/2006 3:09:20 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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Or maybe, Ivan Who Looks a Bit Less Terrible If We Understand the Nature of the Muslim Threat Against Civilization.


167 posted on 09/11/2006 4:20:12 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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