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To: nopardons
"Had Jesuits for teachers, did you?"

No, actually.

"Okay, if "tolerance" is actually hypocrisy, then perhaps many of the early American colonists had it correct. The Mass. Bay colony wouldn't allow anyone to live in Mass. who wasn't a Puritan. Heck, they killed Quakers and R.I. was settled by escapees from Mass.! And they weren't the only ones who acted this way."

While yet being incorrect, it would seem that, yes, they might have carried themselves a bit less hypocritically, in that according to your account they at least didn't contradict themselves by on the one hand claiming to know the truth and on the other, underminkng the credibility of that truth as the pluralists do by pretending that contradictory religions can claim equality of status as truth. You see, if someone really, really believes what they claim they believe, it makes no sense whatsoever to pretend that everyone else who says something different must also possess the truth, or to believe that others must be left to wallow in error. This would the truly weak and essentially liberal position to take. All it really tells anyone is "hey, I not really even sure of my own beliefs". And what good is that?

"After the colonies became a nation, the separation between church and state came about. This, no matter what the ill educated an do LIBERALS tell you, was meant to prevent this country from having a state religion....NOT to keep; religion out of this nation."

Well check it out... you know what I'd say to that? I say that the separation of Church and state is ITSELF a liberal idea, and in fact, that all which calls itself "Christianity" but is apart from the Catholic Church qualifies as Liberalism.

"Yet you come onto this thread and post all kinds of what you claim to be the Catholic church's positions, which look like bigotry to the rest of us."

What I posted were the clear, unambiguous, unmistakeable teachings of the Catholic Church, which irrefutably state exactly the point I've made, which is that absolutely and without a doubt, the Catholic Church teaches that there is no salvation outside of it, and that Church and state are not to be separated according to Catholic dogma. And I am 100% correct that this is the exact and permanent teaching of the Catholic Church.

"And if this stuff is true, then it would really be best for you to have kept it to yourself; especially since it makes the Catholic church look terrible."

In all honesty I can tell you that I do not in the least care how the truth looks to people when it is told to them. The reason for this is simple: very few people like hearing the truth, and the problem is generally on their end of the equation. It is, in fact, why Christ Himself was put on a cross and killed: because few people wanted His truth, and they would not tolerate Him any longer. So no, I do not believe that the truth ought to be suppressed because the others will themselves to take offense at it.

American is NOT a theocracy, but if it was one, YOU would be the one getting the dirty end of the stick; not Protestants, since the vast majority of those involved with founding this nation were Protestants..."

The Catholic Church believes that the aims of the state are to be aligned with the aims of the Church. When you come across a genunine Catholic, that's what that Catholic will tell you. And then you'll understand very quickly that the principles of Americanism are incompatible with the principles of the Catholic Church. It's just a fact.

"The funniest thing, though, is that with every reply you make, you refute the article that heads this thread. It is NOT that there is an anti-Catholic nature to Freemasonry ( though if there was, it would be well deserved ! ); rather, there is an anti-everyone but Catholics, in the Catholic church and by some Catholics, such as yourself."

That's because the Catholic Church is the one true Church. Freemasonry's two principle aims are exactly what I stated above, and their aim is, at the root, primarily against the Catholic Church.

329 posted on 09/15/2006 5:35:03 PM PDT by reductio
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To: reductio
Oh, so it is perfectly fine, if not desirable, for there to be a state and/or national religion, is it? You thoroughly approve of the Puritans refusing to share their colony with people who, though fellow Protestants, weren't Congregationalists?

You live in a PLURALISTIC town, I bet. Your state and the nation you live in, is NOT a Catholic theocracy. When are you going to move to a country that is solely Catholic?

You are on a website that is NOT for only Catholics. Are you here just to proselytize to the "heathen"/"heretics" and/or pound your chest and tell the rest of us that we are all going to burn in hell, then? If that is the case, then I suggest that none of that is the purpose for FR.

Everyone who is NOT a Catholic is a "LIBERAL"?

Liberals to extreme lefties can easily be found, who profess to be Catholics. Never heard of the Kennedy family, have you? How about John Kerry, Bernadette Dorn, Moynahan, the Berrigan brothers, and on and on and on? And before you tell me that they aren't REALLY Catholics, that tactic isn't going to work.

Frankly, I don't give a damn what the Catholic church says. I have done my very best to not take on that church and stated all of the absolutely vile, hypocritical, and corrupt things that it has done and said for 2 millennia; however, if you want, I can post, endlessly, about it; though I would much prefer to not waste my time and energy doing so.

Oh gee.....Christ was crucified because people wouldn't listen to HIS words? Ummmmmmmmmm....you mean that HE wasn't crucified, to redeem our sins?

Since you clearly state that Catholics owe all of their allegiance to the church, first, then NO Catholic should EVER hold elected office, in this nation, nor and post of authority in anything. Thanks for completely blowing out of the water, everything other Catholics, have fought, tirelessly, to make the rest of us not believe.

Truth? You would know the TRUTH, if it bit you on the nose and nothing you did, could ever dislodge it!

Freemasonry is NOT a religious organization; it is a FRATERNAL and CHARITABLE organization. It is an organization which has ALWAYS tolerated the social interaction and community of ALL men of good character, who believe in GOD. So, of course you would see it as menacing, frightening, and something to avoid at all cost.

Your post clearly lays out why, for many centuries, Catholics weren't trusted, in America.

336 posted on 09/15/2006 6:42:47 PM PDT by nopardons
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