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1 posted on 09/12/2006 7:43:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: lizol

**"We call on all Catholics ... not to sign this petition and not to betray the Catholic church," the bishops' statement said. **

The Eastern European countries (as I viewed them on my pilgrimage in June) are very Catholic. I didn't get the figures on Slovakia, but Poland is nearly 98% Catholic.


2 posted on 09/12/2006 7:55:32 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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The Mormon church said Monday it was not looking for converts from Catholicism.

LOL. No, that would never happen. Not ever. We promise (said the scorpion to the frog).

3 posted on 09/12/2006 7:57:12 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Alex Murphy
The Mormon church said Monday it was not looking for converts from Catholicism.

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With all due respect, whom do they expect to convert, then?

4 posted on 09/12/2006 7:59:09 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Alex Murphy
The Mormon church said Monday it was not looking for converts from Catholicism.

And why not? We are looking for looking for Mormon converts after all. :)

5 posted on 09/12/2006 8:22:21 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Salvation; Campion; trisham; Claud; xzins; lady lawyer
I found some official statistics in a US Dept. of State hosted article that addresses religious freedom in the Slovak Republic. It's a good read, if anyone wants a "deep dive" into it. Here are some relevant excerpts re Catholicism, other religions, and Freedom of Religious Practice in general....
The Constitution provides for freedom of religion, and the Government generally respects this right in practice.

There was no change in the status of respect for religious freedom during the period covered by this report, and government policy continued to contribute to the generally free practice of religion.

According to the 2001 census, the number of persons who claimed a religious affiliation increased from 72.8 percent in 1991 to 84.1 percent in 2001. This increase may be in part due to greater willingness among persons to state their affiliation, unlike in 1991 immediately after the fall of communism. According to the census, there were 3,708,120 Roman Catholics (68.9 percent of the population), 372,858 Augsburg Lutherans (6.9 percent), 219,831 Byzantine Catholics (4.1 percent), 109,735 members of the Reformed Christian Church (2 percent), 50,363 Orthodox Christians (1 percent), and 20,630 members of Jehovah's Witnesses. There were also approximately 3,562 Baptists, 3,217 Brethren Church members, 3,429 Seventh-day Adventists, 3,905 Apostolic Church members, 7,347 Evangelical Methodist Church members, 3,000 Jews, 1,733 Old Catholic Church members, 6,519 Christian Corps in Slovakia members, and 1,696 Czechoslovak Husite Church members. According to the 2001 census, 12 percent of the population claimed no religious affiliation, and 2 percent were undecided. There were also some Muslims living in the country, primarily immigrants from Middle Eastern countries, international students, or Albanian immigrants. Estimates of the Muslim population vary from 300 to 3,000.

There are three categories of nonregistered religions that comprise approximately 30 groups: nontraditional religions (Ananda Marga, Hare Krishna, Yoga in Daily Life, Osho, Sahadza Yoga, Shambaola Slovakia, Sri Chinmoy, Zazen International Slovakia, Zen Centermyo Sahn Sah, Rosicrucians, and Raelians); the religious societies termed "syncretic" by the Government (Unification Church, the Church of Scientology, Movement of the Holy Grail, and the Baha'i Faith); and the Christian religious societies (The Church of Christ, Manna Church, International Association of Full Evangelium Traders, Christian Communities, Church of the Nazarenes, New Revelation, Word of International Life, Society of the Friends of Jesus Christ, Sword of Spirit, Disciples of Jesus Christ, Universal Life, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Free Peoples' Mission, Presbyterian Church Emmanuel, and Brothers in Christ (Christadelphians)).

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According to polling data, the number of religious practitioners continues to increase following the fall of Communism, and approximately 54 percent of Catholics and 22 percent of Lutherans actively participate in formal religious services.

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Registration of religious groups is not required, but under existing law, only registered religious groups have the explicit right to conduct public worship services and other activities, although no specific religions or practices are banned or discouraged by the authorities in practice. Those that register receive government benefits, including subsidies for clergymen, office expenses, the right to visit and proselytize in prisons and hospitals, and access to public television broadcasting. Government funding also is provided to religious schools and to teachers who lecture on religion in state schools. The Government occasionally subsidizes one-time projects and significant religious activities, and registered religious groups are partly exempt from paying taxes and import custom fees. A religion may elect not to accept the subsidies.

There are currently 16 registered religious groups in the country; the last group to successfully register was the Apostolic Church in 2001.

To register a new religion, a group must submit a list of 20,000 permanent residents who adhere to that religion. Fourteen of the religions already established before the law passed in 1991 were exempt from this membership requirement. Although the Nazarene and the Muslim communities existed in the country prior to 1991, they were never properly registered and, therefore, were not given registered status under the 1991 law. Two additional religious groups have been allowed to register since 1991: the Jehovah's Witnesses and the New Apostolic Church. Leaders of a number of minority religious communities, in particular Muslims, smaller Protestant churches, the Hare Krishna community, and the Church of Scientology, have in previous years complained that they did not meet the membership requirement, which effectively barred them from obtaining registered status. Nonregistered religious groups may not build public places of worship or conduct legally valid religious ceremonies such as weddings. In 2000, the Muslim community in Bratislava purchased a plot of land with the hope of building an Islamic center. While they previously speculated that municipal officials were denying them permission for the construction, it appears that financial problems, zoning questions, and a lack of identifiable leadership in the Muslim community could have also affected the construction delay. Several of Bratislava's Muslims also criticized the registration law, noting that the community in the Czech Republic was able to submit an application for first-tier registration under Czech law (300 or more citizen member signatures).


10 posted on 09/12/2006 8:49:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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12 posted on 09/12/2006 9:34:13 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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I wonder if anyone is familiar enough with Slovak to double check AP on the gist of the statement? I think this is it, first item posted on the bishop's national conference website.


Vyhlásenie Stálej rady Konferencie biskupov Slovenska k podpisovej akcii mormónov




V týchto dòoch prebieha na Slovensku sústredená petièná kampaò Cirkvi Ježiša Krista svätých posledných dní, tzv. mormónov, za ich registráciu. Zákon na Slovensku vyžaduje na registrovanie urèitej cirkvi 20-tisíc èlenov, ktorí sa k nej hlásia a požadujú jej registráciu.
Zástupcovia cirkvi mormónov oslovovali prípadných signatárov so žiados'ou, aby v duchu náboženskej slobody podpísali petíciu na jej zaregistrovanie. Upozoròujeme veriacich, že prípadným podpisom schva'ujú a podporujú èinnos' tejto náboženskej skupiny, ktorej uèenie nie je v súlade s uèením Katolíckej cirkvi.
Vyzývame všetkých katolíkov, aby tento fakt brali ako otázku vlastného svedomia, aby petíciu nepodpisovali a tak nezrádzali Katolícku cirkev, do ktorej boli krstom zaèlenení.


Stála rada KBS
Mons. František Tondra
Mons. Alojz Tkáè
Mons. Rudolf Baláž
Mons. Marián Chovanec

http://www.kbs.sk/?cid=1158038974


16 posted on 09/12/2006 10:53:24 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Alex Murphy

At first, I was disturbed when I read this, thinking it was very similar to Russian Orthodox attempts to kick the Catholic Church out of Russia. But then I read what I think is the bishops' issue: There are only 100 Mormons. The Mormons are out to claim 2,000 signatories. To sign the "petition" would be to swear witness to the fact that one is a Mormon, which would morally be apostasy. I think the Catholic bishops are trying to warn people not to commit apostasy in the misguided cause of permitting Mormons in.


17 posted on 09/12/2006 11:46:50 AM PDT by dangus
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For a second I thought the headline read "LSD Church."


21 posted on 09/12/2006 12:07:34 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Alex Murphy
The Mormon church said Monday it was not looking for converts from Catholicism.

The best thing (if this church is established) would be for them to get their converts from the muslim population.

25 posted on 09/12/2006 2:40:16 PM PDT by x_plus_one (Muslim immigration breaks democracy into a self-defeating system .)
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