Posted on 10/19/2006 8:01:52 PM PDT by NYer
Here are just a few to wet the appetite. If you need any more, let me know.
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23.37,38)
Then answered all the people (Jews) and said, “His blood be on us and on our children” (Matthew 27:25)
“But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten” (Mark 13.9)
“Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8.43-47)
“Stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so you do. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers” (Acts 7.51-53)
“It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing you put it from you and judge yourself unworthy of everlasting life, we turn to the Gentiles” (Acts 13.45-51)
“For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake ... wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.” (Titus 1.10-14).
“The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.” (l Thessalonians 2.14-16)
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist, that denieth the father and the son. Whoever denieth the son, the same hath not the father” (l John 2.22,23)
“I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan ...” (Revelation 2.9,10)
“Behold I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews and are not but do lie; behold I will make them to come and worship before thy feet...” (Revelation 3.9)
#21. Enjoy.
Hmmm ... That all ya got? Nothing anti-Semitic there. YOU, personally, may well not like it ... but that's a whole different matter.
Otherwise, every Jew who accepts Jesus as the Messiah is "anti-Semitic". Talk about begging the question!
-A8
YOU personally don't find it anti-semetic to refer to Jews as Liars, murderers and saying their father is the devil.
That's fine. Nothing ever changes really. But then don't expect me to sit back and never bring this to your attention. I don't roll like that.
Keep telling yourselft that.
The only thing that you've "brought to my attention" is the inability of whoever compiled that list to read for comprehension and understand context. I can't help it if that person hasn't managed to master the proper reading skills I learned back in about Second Grade.
Quite simply, anyone who thinks that no Jewish person or group of Jewish leaders has ever been a liar, or a murderer, or exhibited behaviour that could legitimately be characterized as being derived from the Devil, is blind.
*************
Due to time constraints, I am going to address only the above. (Btw-my bible is The New American Bible and has a different translation than yours).
Briefly, if I understand it correctly, this particular passage is not directed at Jews as a group, but at particular Jews who were in conflict with the first Christians. It was probably only natural that this conflict came into being, given the history of the Church. Paul was simply stating his frustration with the antagonism of some to the birth of this new religion.
Interesting discussion ping.
"The Romans, who crucified Jesus and slaughtered Christians in the amphitheatre ..."
"The Protestants, who murdered Catholic Priests by hanging, drawing and quartering .."
"The Russians, who threatened America with nuclear annihilation ..."
To interpret these statements as other than condemnations of malfeasant leadership (possibly supported by the rabble) is idiocy.
Just as interpreting those verses to be aimed at individuals and not to a group is idiocy.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." -- Galatians 3:28
A sane, in context, reading of the verses in question leaves no doubt that the former is true.
Continuing to stump for the latter interpretation will only have the effect of turning "antisemitic" into a cheap epithet similar to "racist", "sexist", and "homophobic".
Don't expect me to sit back and never bring this to your attention. I don't roll like that.
“But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten” (Mark 13.9)
Predicting events that in fact came to pass is anti-Semitic?
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23.37,38)
Reflecting sorrowfully on events that in fact had come to pass already and would come to pass in the future is "anti-Semitic"? Jewish literature records that a number of prophets were martyred. Isaiah was sawn in half. The Zechariah of 2 Chron 24 was stoned.
“Stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so you do.
"Stiff-necked" and "uncircumcised in heart" are taken straight from Torah.
Basically, what you're saying is that anything in the NT critical of particular Jews, Judaism, or the Jewish leadership of the late 2nd temple era is "anti-Semitic" ... which is just foolish.
Imperatives don't prove anything about the point in question. That's why responding with an imperative is no less of a fallacy than responding with an ad hominem.
-A8
Please post the Anti-Semite Remarks in the New Testament for which you speak.
Was Moses a murderer? All human beings are guilty of breaking the Ten Commandments my friend. Jew and Gentile alike.
The point is Jesus came to save the sinner not the ones who thought they were holier than thou...
*The proud Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: *I thank you God that I am not a sinner like everyone else, especially like that tax collector over there! For I never cheat, I don't sin, I don't commit adultery, I fast twice a week and give you a tenth of my income.
*But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead he beat his chest in sorrow saying O' God be merciful to me for I am a sinner.
Luke 18:11-13 NLT
The story of Jesus is a Jewish one not a Gentile one. The Jews were God's Chosen people. (Chosen does not mean free of sin) It was to the Jews Jesus was speaking to and it was the Jews who took the Gospels to the rest of the Gentile World.
You are a bit mis-guided in your views.
Not judging you just making an observation by what you post.
Something to consider ordering.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.