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To: Coleus
which ones are those?

Here are just a few to wet the appetite. If you need any more, let me know.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23.37,38)

Then answered all the people (Jews) and said, “His blood be on us and on our children” (Matthew 27:25)

“But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten” (Mark 13.9)

“Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8.43-47)

“Stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so you do. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers” (Acts 7.51-53)

“It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing you put it from you and judge yourself unworthy of everlasting life, we turn to the Gentiles” (Acts 13.45-51)

“For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake ... wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.” (Titus 1.10-14).

“The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.” (l Thessalonians 2.14-16)

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist, that denieth the father and the son. Whoever denieth the son, the same hath not the father” (l John 2.22,23)

“I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan ...” (Revelation 2.9,10)

“Behold I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews and are not but do lie; behold I will make them to come and worship before thy feet...” (Revelation 3.9)

21 posted on 10/20/2006 8:59:27 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Hmmm ... That all ya got? Nothing anti-Semitic there. YOU, personally, may well not like it ... but that's a whole different matter.


23 posted on 10/20/2006 9:03:57 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Those verses are not "anti-Semitic"; they are anti-[rejection of Jesus as the Messiah].

Otherwise, every Jew who accepts Jesus as the Messiah is "anti-Semitic". Talk about begging the question!

-A8

24 posted on 10/20/2006 9:04:06 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
“The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.” (l Thessalonians 2.14-16)

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Due to time constraints, I am going to address only the above. (Btw-my bible is The New American Bible and has a different translation than yours).

Briefly, if I understand it correctly, this particular passage is not directed at Jews as a group, but at particular Jews who were in conflict with the first Christians. It was probably only natural that this conflict came into being, given the history of the Church. Paul was simply stating his frustration with the antagonism of some to the birth of this new religion.

28 posted on 10/20/2006 9:58:58 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
To call some of these "anti-semetic" [sic] is just ridiculous.

“But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten” (Mark 13.9)

Predicting events that in fact came to pass is anti-Semitic?

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23.37,38)

Reflecting sorrowfully on events that in fact had come to pass already and would come to pass in the future is "anti-Semitic"? Jewish literature records that a number of prophets were martyred. Isaiah was sawn in half. The Zechariah of 2 Chron 24 was stoned.

“Stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so you do.

"Stiff-necked" and "uncircumcised in heart" are taken straight from Torah.

Basically, what you're saying is that anything in the NT critical of particular Jews, Judaism, or the Jewish leadership of the late 2nd temple era is "anti-Semitic" ... which is just foolish.

34 posted on 10/20/2006 10:57:53 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Gee, didn't the OT prophets also have a thing or two to say about the lack of faith of the Hebrew people from time to time? Didn't they occasionally give God's prophets a hard time? Didn't the prophets give them a hard time occasionally, too.

I must have misunderstood.
41 posted on 10/20/2006 1:24:39 PM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't serve to win...But America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats!)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
salvation is from the Jews, Jesus Christ.

that quote says it all. the ot spares no words in what they thought about the non-jews. do i say the ot is anti gentile, nope. You have to consider the situation and times of that era.
70 posted on 10/23/2006 7:27:03 PM PDT by Coleus (Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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