Posted on 11/02/2006 12:44:03 PM PST by Alex Murphy
What's the line immediately preceding this one? Wouldn't it be a tad less tendentious to quote the whole sentence? I mean, if we're looking to the Bible for the truth, wouldn't it be right to see what it says instead of snipping out a dependent clause? Why do you, those who speedily call us Roaming Calflicks Biblically illiterate, quote a subordinate clause without the main clause to which it is subordinate?
"Hang all the law and the prophets", say I!
Personally, I have thought AND felt for years that any minuscule trace of a good part of anything I did was a gift. And I don't find disagreement with this from my Catholic teachers.
My experience is that protestant polemicists first have to insist I believe something that I don't believe and then tell me that that thing I keep saying I don't believe is wrong. Gifts everywhere. That's why we call our ritual cannibalism the "Eucharist" -- Thanksgiving.
And incidentally that's why we don't always expect much of our clergy. At least, I generally remember that any crumb of good is a gift and trumps some huge boulder of venality or stupidity. Salvation not through works and all that .... Besides, gratitude is fun and energizing. Sitting around grumping isn't.
We did try aligning ourselves with other fellow Catholics who were against all the nonsense, but after a couple of years, I just couldn't handle all the talk about the church, the church, the church, and the church. And the feast days. And Mary. Where was our Lord in all of this?
I'm not exaggerating. Ping me. I'll even tell you which group and which church!
But more importantly, I've found no evidence for Mary's Assumption.
Woah! Sounds like work! So I need to work to be saved?
Uh, what were we talking about?
So you quit. Found something easier. Good for you.
And the feast days. And Mary. Where was our Lord in all of this?
What do Mary and "feast days" have to do with anything you've described? Explain to me the mental process.
SD
But most fortunately, I don't find what you've found or not found either persuasive or authoritative.
You are displaying your ignorance. What does the word "Deuteronomy" mean?
The wages of sin are death... please tell me what sin she committed and where she is buried...
Alert the media. Apparently the RC church no longer believes it must abide by the Ten Commandments because they are a part of the Old Covenant.
Stunning.
You share a prime example.
Matthew 7:1-5
1. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4. How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5. You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
This is a warning to judge correctly it is not telling us not to judge.
Scripture interprets scripture because God is immutable
1 Corinthians 2:15 But he who is spiritual judges ~all~ things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
* 1 Corinthians 6:2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Corinthians 5:11-13 11. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13. God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
1 Corinthians 11:13 13. Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?
We are told to judge the spiritual condition of others .
Scripture tells us we are to make right judgments (John 7:24) *24.* Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment."
How else would we know if we are unequally yoked or to flee from false teachers?
We are told "by their fruits we will know them" and we are to judge their spiritual condition.
The idea that God wants us to walk though life without judging where we are to be or whom we are to fellowship or accept as teachers is just not scriptural.
We are told not to be unequally yoked
How else would we know if we are unequally yoked or to flee from false teachers.
We are told "by their fruits we will know them"
Wrong we are called to judge the spiritual condition of others. If we did not no one would follow the great commandment, because all religions and beliefs would be equal.
A lack of discernment leads to error
Listen, the last thing on earth I want to do is jump on you for dealing with this awful situation. Any landing you walk away from ..... It sounds like you ended up in a cult parish. I saw them sometimes in the Episcopal Church. Why be Christian when you can be Episcopalian? Yick!
Here's what I wish you'd do -- and I'd even collaborate with you if you wanted. Write down an account, you know, like a legal presentiment. Generalize only when you have to, provide lots of examples with particulars. Use of asbestos paper would be advised -- at least for the draft. Then when it's all written, re-write it as dispassionately as possible, so it reeks of reason, objectivity, calm regret, that sort of thing. Then send copies to your former bishop and to all the leaders, lay and ordained who were involved in this mishegoss. They need to know. Heck, send it to the newspaper!
When I was in my late teens (1960s - and they wondered why we grew our hair and all that), my Episcopal parish allowed a known alcoholic to teach consternation class (as we jocularly called it). He was a groper and a smoocher. My mom knew it -- heck ALL the "grownups" knew it. It disgusted me.
Manure. Roses. Sheesh.
Aren't the Ten Commandments the law?
Maybe you missed the memo.
Canon 1.
If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the [Mosaic] law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.
Wow. Nobody told me the Ten Commandments aren't still in force. Alert the media. Apparently the RC church no longer believes it must abide by the Ten Commandments because they are a part of the Old Covenant.
Words mean things. No Christian should consider himself or herself to be "operating under the Old Covenant Law." Do you think you are? Do you think I am? Do you think I think I am?
SD
We're told to judge their teachings, not their "spiritual condition". Too bad you don't know the difference.
I "need" to? I need this So I can be saved? Won't learning this take work? I'll need to do some study to be saved?
Maybe we "need" to talk about what "work" means.
This is a warning to judge correctly it is not telling us not to judge.
This Scripture can be either a blessing or a curse, depending on how you choose to embrace it.
SD
1) Isn't that a work?
2) Citation please?
No, Biblically illiterate is biblically illiterate.
Most Catholics could not find a book in the bible without an index. Most consider the readings at church on Sunday a kind of Bible study.
Whatever your religious affiliation, I am confident that there are folks who disagree with you who aren't Catholic. Heck. I bet some of them might even think they know their way around the Bible at least as well as you. What do you say to them? Are they just unserious or looking to have their ears tickled (NEVER on the first date ....)?
Works do not lead to righteousness, but the grace of God, but, by God you'd better know your Bible, be serious, and have unticklish ears ... you'd better do more than cast all your care on Him that careth for you (after all, Care-casting sounds a lot like a work), you'd better understand your way through the intricacies of the discussions of merit/grace/predestination, pre- and/or post- millenialism or I can't be in fellowship with you.
Anyone that says they love God and seek him that do not study the scripture make their statement questionable .
Could anyone have a deep abiding love of someone they only know second hand?
How can anyone that says they love God not find time to study HIS WORDS and learn more about Him?
If Jesus came and stood in your living room and wanted to talk , would you tell him to be quiet you are watching CSI?
That Bible is God talking to you.
His word is truth, how does one know truth if they do not know His word? How does one know the character of God if they never read His word?
Did I say it right?
You've surveyed all 1.4 billion of us?
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