The Lost Soul of Scott Hahn

The Berean Beacon ^ | John W. Robbins

[Campion]

"Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ."

Oh, wait, that was St. Jerome, and he was a Biblically illiterate Catholic.

[SoothingDave]

Most consider the readings at church on Sunday a kind of Bible study.

They are a kind of Bible study. Passages from the Bible are read, and then a learned member of the community explains the meaning and applies the lessons of the readings to the real life of thost present.

How does that not qualify as a "kind of Bible study"?

That Bible is God talking to you.

Is that the only way God talks to us? Is Bible study the primary and greatest way to experience God?

SD

[ears_to_hear]

Any time you want to start talking about the same subject, let us know. Beating up the strawman of "works of the law" is amusing, but does nothing to further the discussion.
Catholics do not claim we are justified by "works of the law." Words mean things.

But you believe that you are lost if you do not keep them. Catholics believe that mortal sin damns men. Decide to lay in bed sunday and watch football instead of going to church .

That decision to break the law has just damned you

[Texas_shutterbug]

Thank you sincerely for your kind post. :)

Believe me, it would have been much easier had my experience been different.

[Campion]

You know, it's funny, you're complaining about Catholics being "Biblically illiterate", while simultaneously damning Scott Hahn, the American Catholic layman who has done more to encourage Catholics to be Biblically literate, and provided them with more resources to do so, than probably any other American Catholic layman in history.

In other words, maybe you should investigate the situation a bit more carefully before commenting.

[redgolum]

One of the interesting things is where Lutherans and Catholics differ on Augustine and Aquinas. Both take much from each mans teachings, but both leave some as well. Would probably make a good thesis for some seminary student sometime.

Lutherans also are not against tradition, they just don't put it on par with the Bible. But that is another thread, I suspect.

[Campion]

But you believe that you are lost if you do not keep them.

Since you are Biblically literate, who said, "You are my friends if you keep my commandments"?

And to whom does Hebrews 13:17 command obedience?

[Carolina]

Decide to lay in bed sunday and watch football instead of going to church .

Is this your example of a mortal sin?

[SoothingDave]

Word mean things. What does "works of the law" mean? How does it differ from just plain "works," if there is a difference?

SD

[redgolum]

There is an old shrine (in northern Israel I think) to the Dormation (sp) of Mary, which is where she was buried, but then taken to heaven. The Coptics and Orthodox (if I understand correctly), don't believe the Mary was taken to heaven before death.

[ears_to_hear]

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." -- Philippians 2:13
Woah! Sounds like work! So I need to work to be saved?
Uh, what were we talking about?

Whos work ?

Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

[SoothingDave]

Decide to lay in bed sunday and watch football instead of going to church . That decision to break the law has just damned you

Please cite the Old Testament, Mosaic Law mandating Sunday Church attendence.

Does "of the law" in the phrase "works of the law" mean something or are the words superfluous?

SD

[Campion]

The Coptics and Orthodox (if I understand correctly), don't believe the Mary was taken to heaven before death.

Neither do we. People are free to believe that if they wish, but the better-attested tradition is that she died, then was assumed.

[redgolum]

Neither do we. People are free to believe that if they wish, but the better-attested tradition is that she died, then was assumed.

I thought that was one of the infallible pronouncements by a Pope?

[ears_to_hear]

We are told to judge the spiritual condition of others We're told to judge their teachings, not their "spiritual condition". Too bad you don't know the difference.

Could you show me were scripture makes that distinction?

2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

[SoothingDave]

There is an old shrine (in northern Israel I think) to the Dormation (sp) of Mary, which is where she was buried, but then taken to heaven. The Coptics and Orthodox (if I understand correctly), don't believe the Mary was taken to heaven before death.

Dormition (meaning "sleep" euphemistically). The Orthodox do not believe in the Immaculate Conception of Mary, so there is no theological barrier to her having died. The point remains that the oldest traditions of the Church, Latin and Greek, have Mary being assumed into Heaven.

SD

[Texas_shutterbug]

The mental process is explained in my question, "Where was our Lord in all of this?"

I really don't want to argue. I'm not one to say that my Catholic brothers and sisters aren't truly Christian. Who am I to judge the condition of anyone's soul? Even though I know most "traditional" Catholics here probably think I'm going to hell for once "knowing" the faith and leaving it. :( I'm in a much worse place than someone who never knew "the truth" at all. Right? :(

I know enough to know I'm damned. (eyes rolling)

[redgolum]

Dormition (meaning "sleep" euphemistically).

Which proves that my spelling ability is pretty bad on a Friday.

[SoothingDave]

I thought that was one of the infallible pronouncements by a Pope?

That she was assumed, yes. That she died first, no. We are free to believe either, that she was spared death because of her sinless state. Or that she submitted to death in imitation of her Savior.

SD

[redgolum]

That she was assumed, yes. That she died first, no. We are free to believe either, that she was spared death because of her sinless state. Or that she submitted to death in imitation of her Savior.

LOL! Now I got something else to debate with my mother in law! The rest of my wife's family just moves into the other room when we get going on theology. We tend to bore them rather badly.