Posted on 11/02/2006 12:44:03 PM PST by Alex Murphy
I think most are afraid you threw the baby out with the bathwater, which, by your account was pretty darn filthy.
I have not walked in your shoes, but I don't see why the behavior of some people of a certain faith, even official "clergy," would cause me to disbelieve in what was taught, if I believed it to be true to begin with.
SD
It's infallibly defined that she was taken up to heaven, body and soul.
However, the decree doesn't say she died, nor does it say she didn't die. It says "at the close of her earthly life". This was deliberate, to avoid making any dogmatic statement on the question of whether she died or not.
The same St Jerome that placed all the Apocrypha in a non inspired section of the Bible?
Ubi?
SD
SD just brought up a similar statement. Kind of funny though, many Catholics I have met say that the pronouncement was that Mary was taken to heaven before death. Have to look it up now for our annual after Thanksgiving discussion.
You see priests molesting kids, lay ministers molesting kids, and you see bishops ignoring them, transferring them, and the pope not doing a damn thing about it. And this goes on for almost thirty years. Little by little, you no longer believe very much. And then something happens, and you snap, and realize that these creeps will NEVER, EVER get your family again.
And you leave.
As an epilogue - the latest pervert in our saga was finally kicked out of the parish eight years after we left. He was a lay minister. Whether or not he is at some other church in the diocese, I don't know.
There's no such thing as a "non-inspired section of the Bible".
And that would be the St. Jerome who obeyed the Pope when the Pope told him that the deuterocanonicals belonged in the OT.
The universal truth is that the pope did nothing while the bishops did nothing while the priests molested.
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news/1985_05_23_Berry_TheTragedy.htm
SD
That is not a STUDY that is a TEACHING that requires nothing more of the hearers than to swallow what is taught whole and without thinking or discernment.
Go to a protestant service. People take off their coats as an indication they intend to stay and pay some attention . See them sit with the bibles open to the passages to see if they are being taught in context and quoted correctly.
To study means to concentrate on, investigate, discuss and look at other scriptures to see if it is correctly being applied.
That Bible is God talking to you.
Is that the only way God talks to us? Is Bible study the primary and greatest way to experience God?
It is the Primary and greatest way to test all teachings and doctrines. It is the place where God has chosen to reveal Himself to men, it is where you learn about Gods character and attributes. It is His love letter to men , it is hard to believe that men love a god they do not know and have no interest in knowing.
It is like having a mail order bride as opposed to an enduring relationship that flowers into love .
If a man is looking for an "experience" or a one night stand then serious work on the relationship is a non essential.
Jhn 17:17 — Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Jhn 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
The Holy Spirit sanctifies us by the word
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
So if you "saw" all of this, and knew things about it others didn't, and if laws were being broken, did you go to the police? Did you, personally, go to the bishop with evidence in hand?
I would not hesitate to report a molesting priest to the police, if I thought laws were being broken. I'd report him to the police before I reported him to the bishop, in fact.
If Catholics actually take out a bible and read it while reading his material they will see he is a teacher of false doctrine and error
The fact that he has not been outed by his readers tells me the only scripture they are reading is the ones he prints in his books
When you were a student being taught, it required no thought on your part?
You have an interseting way of looking at things.
Go to a protestant service. People take off their coats as an indication they intend to stay and pay some attention .
I take off my coat every Sunday. Some older people feel more cold. This is a ridiculous thing to judge upon.
You can't think with a coat on? Please.
It is the Primary and greatest way to test all teachings and doctrines. It is the place where God has chosen to reveal Himself to men, it is where you learn about Gods character and attributes.
I see. You think the Bible is the Word of God.
Jesus is the Word of God. It's a common misconception.
SD
LOL. Yeah, that's it, we're too stupid to buy a Bible, open it, and read it, so we just blindly swallow whatever Scott Hahn says. Whatever you want to believe, friend, you obviously are happy with your own made-up version of reality.
If she SUBMITTED to death like Jeasus?
You place her on a par with Christ. That is what happens with false teachings and doctrine, they grow and grow until Mary is a goddess.
The question is of course why there is not one word in scripture to imply she was sinless or assumed into heaven.
That is doctrine made up out of whole cloth with no biblical substantiation .
(The Bible) is the Primary and greatest way to test all teachings and doctrines. It is the place where God has chosen to reveal Himself to men, it is where you learn about Gods character and attributes. It is His love letter to men , it is hard to believe that men love a god they do not know and have no interest in knowing.
Amen and amen!
Actually, there are, but if we tell you about them, you will tell us that they don't mean what we think they mean, which simply demonstrates that Scripture alone is not a sufficient guide to right doctrine, because as Scripture itself notes, the "ignorant and unstable" can twist it.
Yeah, that's what I said. When it is your time will you fight death tooth and nail, or will you submit to it? Are you afraid of dying? Do you think if you accept death as the inevitable end of earthly life and the beginning of eternal life that that makes you some type of "god" or "goddess."
SD
LOLOL!!!! I must work with this lady.
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