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Yes, precision matters, but it is a two way street. Until A8 or Campion tell me what the basis of their faith is, then I am at a loss to be able to debate them. My query on the origin of Sunday worship is a direct indicator of what the basis is for one's faith. I hold to the Biblical standard for doctrine as outlined in Deut 13:1, Isa 8:20, and 2 Ti 3:16. Those who believe that Mat 16:18 grants unmitigated power to one man whom they believe founded the Church at Rome and has passed this power down through the ages and all doctrine flows from this power should be proud to say so. To debate the scriptural validity of a doctrine with those who hold to this belief is an exercise in futility. I have no compunction publishing what I believe here for all the world to believe. If my opponents would oblige and reciprocate, then there would be a basis for debate. Until then, it is just an exercise to get me to type a lot to placate the literary sensibilities of a few.

Maybe we don't want to debate you. I didn't come here to win or lose an argument, did you? I came here to take another look at the problem of expressing the doctrine. Why should your agenda triumph (and how do you KNOW the poster is a troll?)

Can you see how some of us might think (rightly or wrongly) that was a tendentious and needlessly confrontative over-simplification of the question which would lead to a false oppostion?

Somebody asks me, "Do you love or hate your teenager?" I want to say, "Well, it's not so simple ......"

If you add to yhour discourse suggestions about whether I worship idols or St Augustine or things of that kind, I'm going to be tempted to think that EITHER you are tyring to provoke a fight OR you don't know much about Catholicism.

If I subconsciously believe something, why then it's NOT conscious (tautology alert!) and you are going to have to get me to where I can see that that's what I believe before your objections to it will make sense to me.

The part you put in bold is exactly what my parents and two siblings believe and I have a lot of respect for their beliefs.

I am here to debate the scriptural validity of doctrine, not people. This is very hard to do if you don't know upon what your opponent's doctrine is based. If someone wants to defend the Trinity from scripture, but they don't hold scripture to be the final arbiter of doctrine, then what's the point?