Posted on 11/26/2006 10:39:52 PM PST by Gamecock
Count me in on that. I know too many people that buy into that stuff. It is always good to have refutation material that is current when I don't always have to time to do the research.
How sad doc. How very sad for you. What do you intend to do?
oops.. I see that I didn't read far enough when I asked what you were going to do. Please ignore my question. :) I plead fuzzy head from a cold and cold medicine. (At least this time I have an excuses - haha)
I still give Warren the benefit of the doubt theologically and politically. He may have been Syria's dupe here, but we don't know the real story. Since the source is WorldNetDaily (spit!), a website which makes FOX News look like the bastion of reasoned, even-handed journalism, I reserve judgment.
Yeah; that's a problem.
There are times when it's appropriate to say "you won't need your Bibles today." For instance, when my fellow Sunday school teacher was discussing absolute truth, that was a much more logical than Biblical discussion and I don't think he cracked a Bible at all on that day. He more than made up for it the next week he taught.
Entire Bible studies, however, where you don't even touch the Bible, is a much larger problem. Frankly, that was one of the reasons I didn't stay in a Baptist church I checked out several years ago.
It's a pity. A few weeks ago, I was talking with a kid from a local megachurch who was bemoaning their lack of interest in doctrine and he casually mentioned that only the (conservative) Presbyterians had any doctrinal depth any more.
Sounds like your church is pissing that away. Too bad.
That's the way he has always struck me.
I do believe he is blessed though. I say this because every time I see him on TV I say "bless his heart".
I hear this all the time. It's an attempt to push the Lord out of His own house.
Exactly!
As one foolish person once interjected, "there's one born every minute."
I dare say that this pastor is losing some of his congregation. Hard to believe that such political statements are coming out of a pastor.
Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., with bestselling author Rick Warren took a plunge down from number five to number thirty-nine. New membership gains in the past year dropped by nearly 1,500 people to 1,149.You should see what else Rick Warren says...
"The power of deception is that it appears true - yet it is always the shallow way to comfort, glossy, and by this we may recognize it: it does not comport with the Way of God, the cross of Christ our Head, despised and rejected by men, betrayed with a kiss, murdered by brethren outside the camp. Love crucified in full daylight, naked and unashamed in agony for men, is the Truth. How frequent are its imitations."
Thank you,.30Carbine, for your post!
You may be willing to give your head for pan-islamism. But I want my children and theirs to be able to keep them, thanks.
There were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed. (2Pet.2:1-3)
These people—who claim authority from their dreams—live immoral lives, defy authority, and scoff at supernatural beings. But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses’ body. But these people scoff at things they do not understand. Like unthinking animals, they do whatever their instincts tell them, and so they bring about their own destruction. What sorrow awaits them! For they follow in the footsteps of Cain, who killed his brother. Like Balaam, they deceive people for money. And like Korah, they perish in their rebellion. (Jd.1:8-11)
I wish I had a copy of those instructions!!
Are they from Warren or Saddleback?
Alpha and Dr not that I do not believe you but I need proof. Are these instructions written anywhere I can get them? My pastor is considering doing PDL and I need some bullets if I am going to war.
I NEVER HAD THE TEACHER'S GUIDE.
WHEN I WAS ASKED TO TEACH WITH NO BIBLE I REFUSED TO TEACH THE SERIES.
ALL OF MY TEACHING IS INDUCTIVE!
SHOW YOUR LEADERSHIP A GOOGLE SEARCH ON WARREN AND SADDLEBACK.
Jesus
This includes the notice of the removal of PDL materials
http://www.calvaryd.org/assets/uploads/RecallonStorms.pdf
This is the statement about the "emergent church"
http://www3.calvarychapel.com/ccof2/parsontoparson.pdf
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